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mo6579
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Re: Trying Some New Methods


@twanswife916 wrote:

@Burned2manybridgesB4 wrote:

FCRA


Yes FCRA 609; The Federal Law 15 U.S. Code § 1681g - Disclosures to consumers requires CRA’s to disclose the sources of information regarding the negative events that are being reported by them upon request by the consumer.

 

This federal law hold the CRA just as responsbile as the OC. The CRA must provide any comsumer with verifiable proof (i.e. original documentation of late payments, judgement petitions, BK petitions, credit applications w/signature etc.) upon written request. From what I have read through research the CRA's do not have this. All correspondence with the OC is done Electronically therefore with out having this documentation in their own files there is really no way for them to truly verify the information is valid.


Where does it say all that in your second paragraph? What part of FCRA 609 says any of that (Please quote)? What federal law or case law?

 

"Source", as in "Disclosing the source", doesn't refer to the statment you were late on. The source CRAs rely on is the company that reports to them. The source the reporters rely on is your statements etc. So the CRAs are obligated to tell you where they get their information from. They can't just post a tradeline with the creditor name blank.

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Message 11 of 21
09Lexie
Moderator Emerita

Re: Trying Some New Methods


@twanswife916 wrote:

@09Lexie wrote:

Just a reminder, myFICO is not a credit repair organization.  We only allow the exchange of information on how to remove real errors from your credit report.  The suggestion of disputing accurate data in the hopes that the CRA will delete the derog will get your post deleted.

 

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I am not in any way suggesting disputing accurate information. I am clearing stating by law that I and any other comsumer have the right to request that the CRA provide the documentation they used to verify the accuracy of the accounts. Doing this is fully legal. 


My post was a reminder of what can be discussed in the event the thread goes in that direction.  

Message 12 of 21
Burned2manybridgesB4
Valued Contributor

Re: Trying Some New Methods


@09Lexie wrote:

@twanswife916 wrote:

@09Lexie wrote:

Just a reminder, myFICO is not a credit repair organization.  We only allow the exchange of information on how to remove real errors from your credit report.  The suggestion of disputing accurate data in the hopes that the CRA will delete the derog will get your post deleted.

 

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I am not in any way suggesting disputing accurate information. I am clearing stating by law that I and any other comsumer have the right to request that the CRA provide the documentation they used to verify the accuracy of the accounts. Doing this is fully legal. 


My post was a reminder of what can be discussed in the event the thread goes in that direction.  


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Message 13 of 21
twanswife916
Contributor

Re: Trying Some New Methods


@mo6579 wrote:

@twanswife916 wrote:

@Burned2manybridgesB4 wrote:

FCRA


Yes FCRA 609; The Federal Law 15 U.S. Code § 1681g - Disclosures to consumers requires CRA’s to disclose the sources of information regarding the negative events that are being reported by them upon request by the consumer.

 

This federal law hold the CRA just as responsbile as the OC. The CRA must provide any comsumer with verifiable proof (i.e. original documentation of late payments, judgement petitions, BK petitions, credit applications w/signature etc.) upon written request. From what I have read through research the CRA's do not have this. All correspondence with the OC is done Electronically therefore with out having this documentation in their own files there is really no way for them to truly verify the information is valid.


Where does it say all that in your second paragraph? What part of FCRA 609 says any of that (Please quote)? What federal law or case law?

 

"Source", as in "Disclosing the source", doesn't refer to the statment you were late on. The source CRAs rely on is the company that reports to them. The source the reporters rely on is your statements etc. So the CRAs are obligated to tell you where they get their information from. They can't just post a tradeline with the creditor name blank.


Mo6579,

If read my thread you would see the highlighted in red. I have done research on this for a few weeks. Have looked at the law, been on other forums and asking lots and lots of questions. The 2nd paragragh is in my own words interpetation.

 



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Message 14 of 21
09Lexie
Moderator Emerita

Re: Trying Some New Methods


@twanswife916 wrote:

@mo6579 wrote:

@twanswife916 wrote:

@Burned2manybridgesB4 wrote:

FCRA


Yes FCRA 609; The Federal Law 15 U.S. Code § 1681g - Disclosures to consumers requires CRA’s to disclose the sources of information regarding the negative events that are being reported by them upon request by the consumer.

 

This federal law hold the CRA just as responsbile as the OC. The CRA must provide any comsumer with verifiable proof (i.e. original documentation of late payments, judgement petitions, BK petitions, credit applications w/signature etc.) upon written request. From what I have read through research the CRA's do not have this. All correspondence with the OC is done Electronically therefore with out having this documentation in their own files there is really no way for them to truly verify the information is valid.


Where does it say all that in your second paragraph? What part of FCRA 609 says any of that (Please quote)? What federal law or case law?

 

"Source", as in "Disclosing the source", doesn't refer to the statment you were late on. The source CRAs rely on is the company that reports to them. The source the reporters rely on is your statements etc. So the CRAs are obligated to tell you where they get their information from. They can't just post a tradeline with the creditor name blank.


Mo6579,

If read my thread you would see the highlighted in red. I have done research on this for a few weeks. Have looked at the law, been on other forums and asking lots and lots of questions. The 2nd paragragh is in my own words interpetation.

 


Verifiable proof doesn't necessarily mean the original documents.  In bks, tax liens, judgments etc, those docs are with the court, county  etc.  The ability to verify is done electronically for those reasons. 

Message 15 of 21
Burned2manybridgesB4
Valued Contributor

Re: Trying Some New Methods

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Message 16 of 21
mo6579
Contributor

Re: Trying Some New Methods


@twanswife916 wrote:

@mo6579 wrote:

@twanswife916 wrote:

@Burned2manybridgesB4 wrote:

FCRA


Yes FCRA 609; The Federal Law 15 U.S. Code § 1681g - Disclosures to consumers requires CRA’s to disclose the sources of information regarding the negative events that are being reported by them upon request by the consumer.

 

This federal law hold the CRA just as responsbile as the OC. The CRA must provide any comsumer with verifiable proof (i.e. original documentation of late payments, judgement petitions, BK petitions, credit applications w/signature etc.) upon written request. From what I have read through research the CRA's do not have this. All correspondence with the OC is done Electronically therefore with out having this documentation in their own files there is really no way for them to truly verify the information is valid.


Where does it say all that in your second paragraph? What part of FCRA 609 says any of that (Please quote)? What federal law or case law?

 

"Source", as in "Disclosing the source", doesn't refer to the statment you were late on. The source CRAs rely on is the company that reports to them. The source the reporters rely on is your statements etc. So the CRAs are obligated to tell you where they get their information from. They can't just post a tradeline with the creditor name blank.


Mo6579,

If read my thread you would see the highlighted in red. I have done research on this for a few weeks. Have looked at the law, been on other forums and asking lots and lots of questions. The 2nd paragragh is in my own words interpetation.

 


Exactly my point. This is your opinion based upon the flawed opinions of others on forums and not based on sound law. If you've done the research for weeks you should have no problem finding the exact quotes in a relatively short section of law, or from a federal judge's decision. It makes no difference that the OCs communicate electronically, they are not required to provide the CRAs with any documentation other than confirmation that what they have reported is correct. Sorry to sound harsh, but it urks me to see people post a reference to law and then something completely incorrect with it. That just confuses good people who try to do things the right way.

Current Fico08 TU:654 EX:641 EQ:650 (01/31/2015)
Current Fico04 TU:??? EX:695 EQ:675 (01/31/2015)
03/2013 - TU:567 EX:490 EQ:540
Message 17 of 21
twanswife916
Contributor

Re: Trying Some New Methods

In 1971 the FCRA ststes that "a CRA is not required to remove accurate derogatory information from the file of a consumer unless the information is outdated or cannot be verified." If you search the Appellant Court cases that are based on FCRA where the Appellant Court defines the term "VERIFIED" as stated "a credit reporting agency is required to have a copy of the original documentation (signed credit application, certified copy of BK petition, certifird copy of judgement petition etc) that was used to open the account verifying that the accounts they are reporting belongs to the consumer"

 

The CRA's do not have this. Electronic communication with the OC is just like Word of Mouth. Just because someone says it doesn't make it true. The OC obviously have the documentation to report such events however the CRA is passing this information on to other creditors therefore they are required by law to have the same documentation. How do yo thing consumers have been able to successfully sue the CRA's for FCRA violations. The court of law is based off physical evidence and that is what the FCRA 609-The Federal Law 15 U.S. Code § 1681g - Disclosures to consumers is requesting. If I can get it from my OC then I should also be able to get it from the CRA's since they are passing the information along to others.



BK7 Discharge 7/2014
BK13 Filed 06/2019 Gardening til 2023 Fico 8 Aug'22 EQ: 568 EX: 608 TU: 567 Goal: 680 AAOA: 42mo INQ: 9
Message 18 of 21
twanswife916
Contributor

Re: Trying Some New Methods

So i've had a few collections that were IIB deleted from my TU and EX reports. It seems as though they looked upon my request as disputes even though I wasnt disputing the account itself.



BK7 Discharge 7/2014
BK13 Filed 06/2019 Gardening til 2023 Fico 8 Aug'22 EQ: 568 EX: 608 TU: 567 Goal: 680 AAOA: 42mo INQ: 9
Message 19 of 21
eric19k
Established Contributor

Re: Trying Some New Methods

And here we go again. OP we already had a discussion about this before. Someone posted a month ago and years ago.
It has nothing to do with disputing or verifying. I know some credit repair agencies use this as ground for dispute but it does not work unless you can prove that it does.

There is no easy way to remove negatives and to make perfect credit in 1 month. It takes time and effort.
You mislead with wrong information by quoting smth that will not work.

Wish all of you best of luck
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Message 20 of 21
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