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AA changes and Discussion of Why I Rack Up Bonuses

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Open123
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AA changes and Discussion of Why I Rack Up Bonuses

As many of you may already know, yestearday Amerian Airlines announced some changes to their program.  Of course, there no real positives, only negatives, none of which is truly surprising.  For those with SPG, the same will happen; so, burn them before conversion and harvest Marriott points.  

 

Those with an abundance of AA miles may want to make some redemptions before March.

 

Many wonder why I like to rack up bonuses; some have attributed this to an addiction, some strange irrationality, or outright greed.  Well, it isn't any of those reasons. In any inflationary environment, one should either (1) spend before the value erodes, or (2) earn a return that outpaces inflation.  Whatever one chooses, the least desirable is to "do nothing," which most opt for, ironically.  

 

So, as with any fiat currency (which travel rewards really are deep down), either spend them before they lose value or accumulate at a rate higher than inflation, which is one of the main appeals for harvesting/churning/hack (whatever nomenclature one wishes to use) sign-up bonuses.  

 

(Mod Edit--this thread and responses have been split from the original topic, as this is a separate topic that does not pertain to the Credit Card Forum.   --SE)

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jsucool76
Super Contributor

Re: AA changes coming in March...

Time to spend my miles.
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kdm31091
Super Contributor

Re: AA changes coming in March...

Whatever reason you justify it to yourself with is the only one that matters. If you like it, keep doing it. Not everyone has the spending habits to justify getting many signup bonuses, and/or we dont all travel often enough that having a ton of potentially devalued miles makes sense.

Collecting the bonuses makes sense if its your thing and you travel often enough that you can use the miles before they inevitably lose value. To me, the cards make sense for a frequent traveler. At least once a month if not more. But judging by the number of people who go for the workarounds to redeem their miles/travel credits without actually traveling (ie gift cards), id say more people have these cards than probably really benefit from them in many cases. The number of people with many expensive travel cards who don't seem to travel very often is puzzling.
However, we all know the risks and pitfalls of collecting bonuses and have to make the choices we feel are best. At the end of the day, its your credit and your choices, and no one else has to agree with them. Smiley Happy
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CH-7-Mission-Accomplished
Valued Contributor

Re: AA changes coming in March...

In terms of collecting travel rewards, I'm starting to like my Venture card more and more.  That 2% is 2% and can't be taken away from you by a program change.

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kdm31091
Super Contributor

Re: AA changes coming in March...

Technically capital one could nerf the venture earn rate (remember, the similar arrival card was somewhat nerfed) but its far less likely than the frequent flyer programs changing, as they often do.
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Open123
Super Contributor

Re: AA changes coming in March...


@kdm31091 wrote:
Whatever reason you justify it to yourself with is the only one that matters. If you like it, keep doing it. Not everyone has the spending habits to justify getting many signup bonuses, and/or we dont all travel often enough that having a ton of potentially devalued miles makes sense.

Collecting the bonuses makes sense if its your thing and you travel often enough that you can use the miles before they inevitably lose value. To me, the cards make sense for a frequent traveler. At least once a month if not more. But judging by the number of people who go for the workarounds to redeem their miles/travel credits without actually traveling (ie gift cards), id say more people have these cards than probably really benefit from them in many cases. The number of people with many expensive travel cards who don't seem to travel very often is puzzling.
However, we all know the risks and pitfalls of collecting bonuses and have to make the choices we feel are best. At the end of the day, its your credit and your choices, and no one else has to agree with them. Smiley Happy

A couple of things.

 

1.  At this point in my life, I don't need any internal justification for anything I do.  I will do what I do, regardless of what anyone in the world thinks.

2.  Sure, everything boils down to a person's respective risk tolerance vs. reward.  Whether a person agrees or objects is entirely irrelevant.

 

Maximizing a return, whether travel rewards or cash, is purely an objectively quatifiable endeavor, nothing more and nothing less.  Whatever has a higher % return has the higher return--anything else is just...er...irrelevant meanderings.

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Imperfectfuture
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Re: AA changes coming in March...

It's not that bad, but I will be switching to Alaska Airlines points in 2017. Was going to book before March anyway, otherwise, I like barclays promos.
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yfan
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Re: AA changes coming in March...

Thanks for the update on the rewards charts.

 


@Open123 wrote:

 

Many wonder why I like to rack up bonuses; some have attributed this to an addiction, some strange irrationality, or outright greed.  Well, it isn't any of those reasons. In any inflationary environment, one should either (1) spend before the value erodes, or (2) earn a return that outpaces inflation.  Whatever one chooses, the least desirable is to "do nothing," which most opt for, ironically. 


Well, also ironically, bonus chasing could not happen without those who do nothing. People who bonus chase and churn essentially count on a pretty good majority of their fellow customers not doing so. Because if most people were churners and bonus chasers, bonuses would go the way of dinosaurs faster than you could say 'nerf.

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Open123
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Re: AA changes coming in March...


@yfan wrote:

Thanks for the update on the rewards charts.

 


@Open123 wrote:

 

Many wonder why I like to rack up bonuses; some have attributed this to an addiction, some strange irrationality, or outright greed.  Well, it isn't any of those reasons. In any inflationary environment, one should either (1) spend before the value erodes, or (2) earn a return that outpaces inflation.  Whatever one chooses, the least desirable is to "do nothing," which most opt for, ironically. 


Well, also ironically, bonus chasing could not happen without those who do nothing. People who bonus chase and churn essentially count on a pretty good majority of their fellow customers not doing so. Because if most people were churners and bonus chasers, bonuses would go the way of dinosaurs faster than you could say 'nerf.


Good point.  

 

This is true.  Without imperfect information and irrationality, opportunities to realize a "higher" return would never exist. 

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FinStar
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Re: AA changes coming in March...


@Open123 wrote:

@kdm31091 wrote:
Whatever reason you justify it to yourself with is the only one that matters. If you like it, keep doing it. Not everyone has the spending habits to justify getting many signup bonuses, and/or we dont all travel often enough that having a ton of potentially devalued miles makes sense.

Collecting the bonuses makes sense if its your thing and you travel often enough that you can use the miles before they inevitably lose value. To me, the cards make sense for a frequent traveler. At least once a month if not more. But judging by the number of people who go for the workarounds to redeem their miles/travel credits without actually traveling (ie gift cards), id say more people have these cards than probably really benefit from them in many cases. The number of people with many expensive travel cards who don't seem to travel very often is puzzling.
However, we all know the risks and pitfalls of collecting bonuses and have to make the choices we feel are best. At the end of the day, its your credit and your choices, and no one else has to agree with them. Smiley Happy

A couple of things.

 

1.  At this point in my life, I don't need any internal justification for anything I do.  I will do what I do, regardless of what anyone in the world thinks.

2.  Sure, everything boils down to a person's respective risk tolerance vs. reward.  Whether a person agrees or objects is entirely irrelevant.

 

Maximizing a return, whether travel rewards or cash, is purely an objectively quatifiable endeavor, nothing more and nothing less.  Whatever has a higher % return has the higher return--anything else is just...er...irrelevant meanderings.


Agree.

 

At the end of the day, kdm doesn't pay my bills, knows anything about my lifestyle let alone influence any decision regarding my financial goals (or those of others I'm sure).  So, I would say, who cares? 

 

At any rate, thanks for posting this Open.  I received an email on this yesterday along with a Citi AA PS WMC Business Card pre-qualification. Instead, I opted for the personal AA PS WMC since the 50K sign up bonus was available for both and was approved.  I already have a Citi AA AmEx from years ago and will likely combine CLs.  I do travel to Europe frequently and considered the new 2016 program highlights given the sector redemption changes.  Again, my decision and I'm glad you provided some good perspective on this.

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