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My stealership usually has a $50 special. They also do a lot of inspections, print out everything that needs done. I think it's a marketing effort for them. I normally take their list and do it myself.
Not to long ago I had some suspension noise, so when they changed the oil, I asked if they could see what was wrong. They did, gave me an estimate to fix it, but then mentioned they couldn't do it, because the didn't have the part. They surprised the hell out of me, I asked if they could do it if I got the parts and they agreed! So I got parts for less than $50, paid them $200. Would have been $500 with Honda parts.
I really didn't want to do the job myself anyway. I did a similar job last year, it's got a ball joint on the end. There's no good way to hold the thing to wrench the nut off. Couldn't get a nut cracker on either. The best way I found was to cut it with an angle grinder. That takes more room, double jacking, a big mess. Worth $200.
@FicoMike0 wrote:My stealership usually has a $50 special. They also do a lot of inspections, print out everything that needs done. I think it's a marketing effort for them. I normally take their list and do it myself.
Not to long ago I had some suspension noise, so when they changed the oil, I asked if they could see what was wrong. They did, gave me an estimate to fix it, but then mentioned they couldn't do it, because the didn't have the part. They surprised the hell out of me, I asked if they could do it if I got the parts and they agreed! So I got parts for less than $50, paid them $200. Would have been $500 with Honda parts.
I really didn't want to do the job myself anyway. I did a similar job last year, it's got a ball joint on the end. There's no good way to hold the thing to wrench the nut off. Couldn't get a nut cracker on either. The best way I found was to cut it with an angle grinder. That takes more room, double jacking, a big mess. Worth $200.
Well said. I understand. I have a few stories of my own.
Today, I find myself in a little and funny predicament currently. The humor in this isn't so funny to me, but on the outside it's worth a laugh.
P4 upgraded to a new vehicle. Nice vehicle. Abandoned the prior vehicle which shows great sign of physical wear, and has a few mechanical issues. Cruise control and traction control went, has a vapor leak that isn't gas cap related, but points towards certain components which I had wanted to replace - until I see where they are located. A certain sensor should be easy enough to replace with some stretch, but the other is far under the windshield wiper cowl. I feel like I'm going to have to lay across the entire **bleep** engine to reach out and access it. It feels almost like a no go in my opinion. Replace the spark plugs are a no brainer, let's see how it goes.
Ironically, I don't expect much for this vehicle even in it's best working condition, maybe 1k-2k max. The Michelin Defender 2 tires were valued at $1k-$1.2k when we bought them recently. Can't take it in for service, that'll be a $1k plus bill, so it's entirely my work to spruce it up to achieve any value on it.
The oil was recently changed. May need some brakes and rotors, which I never mind doing, but cost + cost may equal why waste the time. Just donate the vehicle. Or part it out.
Sometimes the vehicle's not worth the repair.
Back to the original topic, I was in rural king today, they had 5 qt. full syn oil for $21.99, no limit.
I'm even more glad I bought the 6 oil change package from BMW a few months back. My warranty and original maintenance plans were expiring so they offered 6 oil changes for $250. The BMW dealership is awesome so this was an absolute steal. I schedule the service, pull in the bay at the scheduled time, they have my loaner car pulled up in the service bay, I hop out of my car and in to the loaner, and head out until they text me that it's done. They do a full service video highlighting anything that needs attention and then I pick it up with no bill.
No dealing with DIY nonsense or Costco oil restrictions.
Cheap oil changes are definitely a marketing item and they will only do it on the makes that they sell at that dealership.
I recall bringing in a 20 year old (1996, it was 2016 at the time) Ford Crown Victoria for the $20 Ford-only oil changes.
They told me that they were impressed by how good that car looked. Dumbest thing I ever did was give it to my mother when I financed a Kia.
3 months after I financed the Kia (at 0%, wasn't I smart?) the air conditioner blew up and got replaced under warranty.
7-8 months after that, I had a huge financial mess involving my ex that completely drained my finances, the car payments went late, and I ended up losing it in bankruptcy, and then I had no car.
I'm not saying I always do the most brilliant thing. That's actually one of the dumbest things I've ever willingly walked into. If you have a car that good don't automatically think that a new car is better or that payments will be a good idea at any interest rate because what do you have to compare it to ($20 a month insurance on something that never breaks down can't be beaten by any new car), and they're not even building the new ones right.
By the time I had that Kia for one year, the paint already had more problems than a 1996 Crown Victoria that was 22 years old last I saw it, because the paint Kia uses swirls and scratches if you wash the car. It's just godawful. It looks like they used those watercolor paints they sell at the Dollar Tree.
At the end I didn't care because it was going back to the finance company anyway and I was driving it like I knew it. No car washes, no oil changes, didn't care what happened to it.
When you get a certified pre-owned car, and the manufacturer lets them certify nearly anything so the term is meaningless and meant to drive the price up, it usually wasn't someone's gently loved baby, it was bankruptcy repos or a lease turn in that may not have been taken care of. The dealership tries to hurry up and hide that but what they can't hide is if nothing got logged to Carfax chances are it didn't even get oil changes.
People should not ever be doing 7500 or 10,000 mile oil changes. They should be doing 5000 max.
I've seen the inside of both kind of engine and if you want sludge, skimp on the oil changes.
Unfortunately now that it costs $40 a jug for normal oils I think people can't even be trusted to usually do what was considered the bare minimum.
@dfwxjer wrote:I'm even more glad I bought the 6 oil change package from BMW a few months back. My warranty and original maintenance plans were expiring so they offered 6 oil changes for $250. The BMW dealership is awesome so this was an absolute steal. I schedule the service, pull in the bay at the scheduled time, they have my loaner car pulled up in the service bay, I hop out of my car and in to the loaner, and head out until they text me that it's done. They do a full service video highlighting anything that needs attention and then I pick it up with no bill.
No dealing with DIY nonsense or Costco oil restrictions.
That is a steal. The rate from the dealership service center for my BMW is just over $300 per change, though I don't qualify for the service packages (car is too new) so I'm stuck with a la carte.
@iced wrote:
@dfwxjer wrote:I'm even more glad I bought the 6 oil change package from BMW a few months back. My warranty and original maintenance plans were expiring so they offered 6 oil changes for $250. The BMW dealership is awesome so this was an absolute steal. I schedule the service, pull in the bay at the scheduled time, they have my loaner car pulled up in the service bay, I hop out of my car and in to the loaner, and head out until they text me that it's done. They do a full service video highlighting anything that needs attention and then I pick it up with no bill.
No dealing with DIY nonsense or Costco oil restrictions.
That is a steal. The rate from the dealership service center for my BMW is just over $300 per change, though I don't qualify for the service packages (car is too new) so I'm stuck with a la carte.
When I was a younger man in 2003 or so I was driving a small Chevy Corsica. Oil was 79 cents a quart, a new oil filter was just a hair over $1.
That's a <$5 (even with tax) oil change in your parking spot or $11 at Walmart. That was a very easy car to do an oil change on.
The cars now need much more advanced oils, but the cars also don't last very long. You wonder if there's even a point changing oil very often on a car that's only designed to last 3-4 years before major problems that exceed the value of the car begin.
When you might be driving the car for 15-20 years if you're lucky, you want peace of mind knowing you're doing the upkeep, but when they sandwich together vital parts of the powertrain using cheap plastic and the very cheapest possible metals where plastic won't even last the term of the lease they want you to get, it's like oil changed become a "compliance" issue. You have to show you had one often enough to not get hit with another fine when you turn it in, but that's the only reason.
These dealerships will happily take a lease turn in after 3 years on a car they know is only designed to last 3 years without problems, call it "certified" and try to pawn it off on someone else, because they know it works. They know there's always "another one born every minute".
Eventually what's going to happen is all the older cars that were designed well and maintained will die because even those will die. The only thing left in the system will be the garbage they make now, there won't be any chance of finding a good car, and they'll have everyone on a "car subscription".
I can't justify playing the "am I going to get a good beater or someone else's problems" game.
The car was always sucking up all of my savings. I'd save a bit of money and something else would happen to the car. Or Progressive would have their hand out again. In some states you can just drive it forever if the catalytic converter goes out. You just delete the converter and run a straight pipe out and there's no emissions station and nobody cares.
But this isn't Indiana. They actually check the god cursed thing here to see if it's working or not, so then you have another $1600 repair and pray to God that the one you get in the aftermarket makes the car shut up and pass, which is not guaranteed. Ouch.
Illinois is so worried about air quality that they make everyone in Chicago with a car get in the car and emit emissions to drive two hours to an emissions station, to check the emissions.
Meanwhile, we're letting AI data centers that use the amount of fossil fuel power of an entire country plug into a grid that's not built for this kind of abuse, and that's fine.
This is the government that said we had a very serious climate emergency and we had to worry about what kind of light bulbs we use.
For the record, I am concerned about CO2 emissions but it turns out the people who said they are, aren't. There's a lot of pay to look the other way going on here.
It's always one standard for them and another standard for everyone else, like the leadership in France calling personal air conditioning a scourge while air conditioning a taxpayer-funded government palace.
When something starts giving you problems like that every 5-8 months it's unpredictable extortion with wheels. It's not even transportation anymore.
I have a free bus pass. I never got rid of it when I moved out of Chicago the first time even though PACE didn't run very many lines where I lived.
I'm glad I always kept it current because the decision to sign up for it 10 years ago when I had a car that was reliable and cost $20 a month to insure just "because I qualified" is the reason I can get around so easily now and why I don't have a disaster on wheels competing with rent and grocery money.
@iced wrote:
@dfwxjer wrote:I'm even more glad I bought the 6 oil change package from BMW a few months back. My warranty and original maintenance plans were expiring so they offered 6 oil changes for $250. The BMW dealership is awesome so this was an absolute steal. I schedule the service, pull in the bay at the scheduled time, they have my loaner car pulled up in the service bay, I hop out of my car and in to the loaner, and head out until they text me that it's done. They do a full service video highlighting anything that needs attention and then I pick it up with no bill.
No dealing with DIY nonsense or Costco oil restrictions.
That is a steal. The rate from the dealership service center for my BMW is just over $300 per change, though I don't qualify for the service packages (car is too new) so I'm stuck with a la carte.
What year is your car? It should be covered for all scheduled maintenance for the first 3 years/36k miles and you can extend that with the BMW Ultimate Care package which iirc was ~$1500ish. That covered me for all scheduled maintenance until 75k miles when they offered the BMW Oil Change plan that covers 2 changes a year for 3 years.
Heck the Ultimate Care+ is available for like $1100 extra when the car is brand new and that'll even cover wear and tear items. I plan on getting that when I order my next one so I can drive it a bit harder without fear of brakes and such.
fwiw this is all applicable to my PHEV 330e so if you have a performance model ymmv.
How can an oil change even cost $300? How can anyone rationalize that? You can go get the oil and the filter for like $50 maybe.
They can't void your warranty as long as you can document that you changed it and you used appropriate parts. That's federal law.
BMW's recommended interval is also a recipe for engine sludge. There exists no oil that can go 20,000 miles between oil changes without sludge and excessive engine wear. This is a stupid oil change interval designed to make a $300 oil change not seem that bad.
You will get sludge and excessive wear, and engines with complex Variable Valve Timing are especially sensitive to engine sludge. That's not just a BMW thing, that applies to most modern engines.
When people realize they have a sludge problem and panic, they reach for engine flush products, but on many systems with VVT this only makes things worse. The dissolved sludge goes straight into the VVT solenoid and plugs it up. Worse, on any engine, that sludge can clog the oil pickup.
It's better to just treat modern oil change intervals as an awful suggestion by a manufacturer who wants to sell more cars. If it seems like most owners manuals are calling for an aggressively low maintenence cycle it's because they want to sell more cars, and you sell more cars by omitting service that lowers wear over time.
@dfwxjer wrote:
@iced wrote:
@dfwxjer wrote:I'm even more glad I bought the 6 oil change package from BMW a few months back. My warranty and original maintenance plans were expiring so they offered 6 oil changes for $250. The BMW dealership is awesome so this was an absolute steal. I schedule the service, pull in the bay at the scheduled time, they have my loaner car pulled up in the service bay, I hop out of my car and in to the loaner, and head out until they text me that it's done. They do a full service video highlighting anything that needs attention and then I pick it up with no bill.
No dealing with DIY nonsense or Costco oil restrictions.
That is a steal. The rate from the dealership service center for my BMW is just over $300 per change, though I don't qualify for the service packages (car is too new) so I'm stuck with a la carte.
What year is your car? It should be covered for all scheduled maintenance for the first 3 years/36k miles and you can extend that with the BMW Ultimate Care package which iirc was ~$1500ish. That covered me for all scheduled maintenance until 75k miles when they offered the BMW Oil Change plan that covers 2 changes a year for 3 years.
Heck the Ultimate Care+ is available for like $1100 extra when the car is brand new and that'll even cover wear and tear items. I plan on getting that when I order my next one so I can drive it a bit harder without fear of brakes and such.
fwiw this is all applicable to my PHEV 330e so if you have a performance model ymmv.
It's a 2026 and has a 7 year plan (Ultimate Care +4), but the reason oil isn't covered is the $0 maintenance only covers oil changes at the programmed interval of 10,000 miles and I want them every 5,000 so I have to pay for the extra changes. Their V8s are a bit more sensitive to oil quality so I'm extending the life of the car considerably with the more frequent changes.