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Paying more than minimum...the how and the what

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CluelessCredit
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Paying more than minimum...the how and the what

So I've started up my debt snowball.  I made a significant payment on my Sallie Mae loan.  I send payments through billpay via Well Fargo, which allows me to attach memos to the payment.  On the payment I stated, "IMMEDIATELY apply all excess funds to principal balance."  I thought this message would instruct Sallie Mae to apply the excess (beyond interest) to the principal balance immediately and update future payments to reflect that is had been done.  What actually happened was that Sallie Mae applied the payment and then pushed my next scheduled payment 3 years in the future.  I had to call and have the loan redisclosed (their words, I'd never heard of it and still don't know exactly what it means) to get my payment lowered.  So my questions:

 

1.  Does paying more (double payments) on the loan drop the next payment?  Or rather is it supposed to drop month to month as you pay on the principal or is that only done annually?

 

2.  Would it be better to just save up a monster lump sum payment to have the loan redisclosed on a yearly basis?

 

3.  What do I need to memo on a payment to get them to apply excess funds to the principal and update my next payment to reflect that change?

 

I guess I just don't understand why it seems like Sallie Mae is trying to make it difficult to pay over the minimum and see progress reflected in the monthly statement.  Motivation is king while in debt repayment and I'd like to see progress even if it's just a 10 cent drop.

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Tazman81
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Re: Paying more than minimum...the how and the what

You should call back and speak with someone else.  They can apply the overage directly to your principal so that it doesn't push out your payment due date.

 

Something that you may want to do is actually use Sallie Mae's payment website to make your payments as you can request right then that the extra payment be applied directly to principal instead of them pushing out your next payment due date.

 

Unfortunately a lot of companies are starting to do that.  My auto loan does that and I hate it.  I have to call every month to have them apply the extra directly to principal.


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Lel
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Re: Paying more than minimum...the how and the what


@CluelessCredit wrote:

So I've started up my debt snowball.  I made a significant payment on my Sallie Mae loan.  I send payments through billpay via Well Fargo, which allows me to attach memos to the payment.  On the payment I stated, "IMMEDIATELY apply all excess funds to principal balance."  I thought this message would instruct Sallie Mae to apply the excess (beyond interest) to the principal balance immediately and update future payments to reflect that is had been done.  What actually happened was that Sallie Mae applied the payment and then pushed my next scheduled payment 3 years in the future.  I had to call and have the loan redisclosed (their words, I'd never heard of it and still don't know exactly what it means) to get my payment lowered.  So my questions:

 

1.  Does paying more (double payments) on the loan drop the next payment?  Or rather is it supposed to drop month to month as you pay on the principal or is that only done annually?

 

2.  Would it be better to just save up a monster lump sum payment to have the loan redisclosed on a yearly basis?

 

3.  What do I need to memo on a payment to get them to apply excess funds to the principal and update my next payment to reflect that change?

 

I guess I just don't understand why it seems like Sallie Mae is trying to make it difficult to pay over the minimum and see progress reflected in the monthly statement.  Motivation is king while in debt repayment and I'd like to see progress even if it's just a 10 cent drop.


In my experience - with my student loan, an old auto loan, and a home equity loan - making extra payments reduces your principal, but does not actually lower the amount of the next scheduled payment.  It does, however, move up the date that the loan will be paid off.

 

So, for example, if you have loan balance of $10,000 and a scheduled monthly payment of $100, even if you make a lump-sum payment of $5000, your monthly obligation will still be $100.  But instead of paying it off in 15 years (I'm not using actual calculations, just using round numbers), you might pay it off in 6 years and save a ton in interest payments.

 

I had previously not heard of getting a loan "redisclosed" to reduce the monthly payment after a large principal payment.  This, however, will ultimately result in higher interest payments than otherwise would have been achieved if you continued to pay the original scheduled amount, because instead of being paid off in 6 years, it might not be paid off for 10 years at the lower payment.  You'd still be doing better than the original loan terms, but you'd be partially offsetting the potential interest savings by doing so.

 

 

With regard to the next payment due date being pushed out by 3 years, I think it should still be possible to make regular monthly payments for the next 3 years if you want to.  I'm not familiar with how Sallie Mae works, but I can't imagine that they can prevent you from paying your loan if that is your wish.  Because interest is still accruing on the remaining principal (assuming that there isn't any interest deferment at this time), any monthly payment will be divided between accrued interest and principal.

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CluelessCredit
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Re: Paying more than minimum...the how and the what

Thanks for the information.  Apparently if I wanted the payment to reflect as such, I had to redisclose the loan to drop the monthly payment.  I'll try paying directly through the site.  It is not that I want to shorten the length of the payoff they way Sallie Mae does it.  I wanted to lower the monthly payment to lessen the actual amount due just in case something happens.  I plan to ramp up the excess payments as my funds allow and manage the payoff period that way.  Part of me wants to get the student loan to a really low monthly payment for 2 reasons:

 

1.   You can right off up to 2500 in interest paid on student loans

2.  Having an old installment payment on credit report help with AoA

 

Again, thanks for the information!

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Lel
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Re: Paying more than minimum...the how and the what


@CluelessCredit wrote:

Thanks for the information.  Apparently if I wanted the payment to reflect as such, I had to redisclose the loan to drop the monthly payment.  I'll try paying directly through the site.  It is not that I want to shorten the length of the payoff they way Sallie Mae does it.  I wanted to lower the monthly payment to lessen the actual amount due just in case something happens.  I plan to ramp up the excess payments as my funds allow and manage the payoff period that way.  Part of me wants to get the student loan to a really low monthly payment for 2 reasons:

 

1.   You can right off up to 2500 in interest paid on student loans

2.  Having an old installment payment on credit report help with AoA

 

Again, thanks for the information!


Even if you pay off an installment loan, it will remain on your credit report for up to 10 years (some people have seen them remain for longer) and will continue to help your average age of accounts.  It will also count towards to your diversity of credit accounts, though open installment accounts help a little bit more than closed/paid installment accounts.  I've got student loans that were opened in 1987 that were paid off in consolidation in 2006.  Those accounts still appear on my credit reports and expected to remain until 2016.  My AAoA will drop once that date comes, but by then my other accounts will have aged sufficiently such that it should mitigate the drop in AAoA.

 

The student loan interest write-off is nice, because it does not require filing of schedule B (though I believe you need to file at least a 1040A).  Be aware that above a certain income, you can no longer deduct student loan interest from your taxable income.  Also, since you only get back about 35 cents for every dollar of interest you pay, minimizing the total interest paid will save you the most money in the long run.

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laz98
Senior Contributor

Re: Paying more than minimum...the how and the what


@Tazman81 wrote:

Something that you may want to do is actually use Sallie Mae's payment website to make your payments as you can request right then that the extra payment be applied directly to principal instead of them pushing out your next payment due date.


hey taz!  could you possibly take a snapshot of how to do this?  i haven't been able to find how to do this on their website.  thanks in advance!

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Re: Paying more than minimum...the how and the what


@laz98 wrote:

@Tazman81 wrote:

Something that you may want to do is actually use Sallie Mae's payment website to make your payments as you can request right then that the extra payment be applied directly to principal instead of them pushing out your next payment due date.


hey taz!  could you possibly take a snapshot of how to do this?  i haven't been able to find how to do this on their website.  thanks in advance!


+1 - I could use that too!  They told me I had to write a separate check and send it in snail mail and then it might work, but he wasn't really sure!

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CluelessCredit
Valued Member

Re: Paying more than minimum...the how and the what

I cancelled my auto pay through wells fargo and paid online (one time payment no auto) through Salie Mae.  It applied excess to principal automatically without any prompt to decide to do so.  Guess I'll just use that method from here on in.

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Anonymous
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Re: Paying more than minimum...the how and the what

Hi,

 

I had the same problem. I have student loan with citibank and I once paid $500 extra and that chaged my billiing cycle instead of applying the extra payment towards principal. So I am haveing their statement come to me every month in mail and I send in check to avoid confusion. SInce stub has an option to check ifI want to apply the extra paymet towards principal.

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