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$50k limits not part of utilization?

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Anonymous
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Re: $50k limits not part of utilization?


@SouthJamaica wrote:


Sounds like it would be pretty difficult to make that happen.


Maybe I didn't explain it right.  Basically guy who has a card with a huge credit limit lets two cards report a balance (big card and one of his smaller ones).  He looks at his score.  Then he pays off the smaller card so that all that is reporting is the smaller card.  Then he checks his score again.  20 point score drop implies the big card was excluded by FICO.

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Re: $50k limits not part of utilization?

Yeah, it's actually a really easy test to do actually if someone has at least one monster-limit CC.

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SouthJamaica
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Re: $50k limits not part of utilization?


@Anonymous wrote:

@SouthJamaica wrote:


Sounds like it would be pretty difficult to make that happen.


Maybe I didn't explain it right.  Basically guy who has a card with a huge credit limit lets two cards report a balance (big card and one of his smaller ones).  He looks at his score.  Then he pays off the smaller card so that all that is reporting is the smaller card.  Then he checks his score again.  20 point score drop implies the big card was excluded by FICO.


To test it meaningfully for the mortgage scores would require this hypothetical person with the huge limit to have either (1) a very, very quiet profile, with absolutely nothing going on, and nothing passing any aging benchmark, for a period of months, or (2) the willingness to plunk down 2 or 3 extra $45 payments to MyFICO, over and above the cost of the monitoring service.

 

 


Total revolving limits 569520 (505320 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 699 TU 696 EX 673




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Re: $50k limits not part of utilization?


@SouthJamaica wrote:


To test it meaningfully for the mortgage scores would require this hypothetical person with the huge limit to have either (1) a very, very quiet profile, with absolutely nothing going on, and nothing passing any aging benchmark, for a period of months, or (2) the willingness to plunk down 2 or 3 extra $45 payments to MyFICO, over and above the cost of the monitoring service.


 

I think those are fair points, but I don't think they are unique to this question.  They apply to anyone trying to produce test results for any conjecture about how the back-end algorithm works.   People are constantly claiming that they have "data" that show this or that, and I have to remain privately skeptical, since there are lots of alternative explanations.  Even in that monster thread about CLs I was the most consistently (if gently) doubtful.  BBS will remember in particular how people were trying to draw inferences from more than one person's test "data", which frequently considered of badly remembered details (little documentation) of an "experiment" that strected out for many months, with a score produced by a credit card in Oct being compared with something else in February.  It nearly drove me to Bellvue, since there were simple clean easily replicable ways to run the tests that I kept voicing.

 

So I definitely get you here, SouthJ!  Just that I'd extend what you say to cover a lot of stuff.

 

One advantage here is that the test is easily replicable, even by the same person.  He lets two report, then one, then two, then one, etc.  That rules out a lot of the problem of confounding factors.  If he keeps seeing the same behavior and especially if he sees the relevant negative reason code appear each time, that tells us a lot.

 

So all we need to test the mortgage scores is someone with a big CL and who has myFICO Ultimate.  I'd like more than one such person, which reduces the chance of error further.

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