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8% to 7% --> 7 point increase?

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NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: 8% to 7% --> 7 point increase?

Individual card utilization.

Ignore it all you want Smiley Happy
High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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Anonymous
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Re: 8% to 7% --> 7 point increase?


@NRB525 wrote:
Individual card utilization.

Ignore it all you want Smiley Happy

I'm quite sure SJ will ignore it, the same you've ignored what he's said across 2-3 threads I believe about 5 times now?  (I've actually lost count at this point)

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NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: 8% to 7% --> 7 point increase?

It’s quite entertaining that you will ignore a threshold on Individual card utilization that matches known thresholds on Aggregate utilization, specifically that 9% is a very believable threshold on individual card utilization and also affects aggregate utilization...

And will find more believable a made-up threshold ( 2 in fact ) at 6% and 7% aggregate utilization, out of the blue.
High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
Message 13 of 31
Anonymous
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Re: 8% to 7% --> 7 point increase?


@NRB525 wrote:
It’s quite entertaining that you will ignore a threshold on Individual card utilization that matches known thresholds on Aggregate utilization, specifically that 9% is a very believable threshold on individual card utilization and also affects aggregate utilization...


It wasn't ignored.  Why you aren't able to recognize that after being told (say) 6 times across 2-3 threads is concerning.

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NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: 8% to 7% --> 7 point increase?

Repeating a falsehood six times does not make it become a truth.
High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
Message 15 of 31
Anonymous
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Re: 8% to 7% --> 7 point increase?


@NRB525 wrote:
Repeating a falsehood six times does not make it become a truth.

It's your opinion that it's a falsehood.  It's SJ's opinion based on his own profile research that it's not.  You're basically telling him that his own profile testing results are wrong.  If that's how you feel, after mentioning that 6 times it's probably not worth mentioning again, as it isn't going to be value-adding at all to what SJ is discussing at this point.

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HeavenOhio
Senior Contributor

Re: 8% to 7% --> 7 point increase?


@SouthJamaica wrote:

Can 12/30 (or 40%) cards reporting a balance be a magic number for me? Somehow, I doubt that

dropping from 13 to 12 cards reporting a balance would move my scores to that degree.


How often do you get these scores? If you get these scores frequently and you have a Chase or Discover card available for testing, you can take advantage of the fact that they'll report whenever you call in and ask them to.

 

Charge something, request that the balance be reported, pay the card to zero, and request that the balance be reported again. If you can pull off the test within a relatively short time span, you might be able to avoid the many moving parts that would be going on in your profile.

Message 17 of 31
Anonymous
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Re: 8% to 7% --> 7 point increase?

That's a good suggestion above to keep the card in question a constant.  I'd say the best method would be to start with either of those cards at $0, then report the balance, then pay it off and report $0 again.  This would give 3 solid scores... the before, during and after.  With no other factors influencing score during this span of a few days, the before and after scores should be identical, with the during score being the data point for score change.

Message 18 of 31
SouthJamaica
Mega Contributor

Re: 8% to 7% --> 7 point increase?


@HeavenOhio wrote:

@SouthJamaica wrote:

Can 12/30 (or 40%) cards reporting a balance be a magic number for me? Somehow, I doubt that

dropping from 13 to 12 cards reporting a balance would move my scores to that degree.


How often do you get these scores? If you get these scores frequently and you have a Chase or Discover card available for testing, you can take advantage of the fact that they'll report whenever you call in and ask them to.

 

Charge something, request that the balance be reported, pay the card to zero, and request that the balance be reported again. If you can pull off the test within a relatively short time span, you might be able to avoid the many moving parts that would be going on in your profile.


That's the thing, I now have daily realtime access to my EX reports, as well as to 4 EX scores (FICO 2, FICO 8, FICO Bankcard 8, FICO Auto 8). So I'm getting clean readings.


Total revolving limits 569520 (505320 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 699 TU 696 EX 682




Message 19 of 31
NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: 8% to 7% --> 7 point increase?


@SouthJamaica wrote:

@HeavenOhio wrote:

@SouthJamaica wrote:

Can 12/30 (or 40%) cards reporting a balance be a magic number for me? Somehow, I doubt that

dropping from 13 to 12 cards reporting a balance would move my scores to that degree.


How often do you get these scores? If you get these scores frequently and you have a Chase or Discover card available for testing, you can take advantage of the fact that they'll report whenever you call in and ask them to.

 

Charge something, request that the balance be reported, pay the card to zero, and request that the balance be reported again. If you can pull off the test within a relatively short time span, you might be able to avoid the many moving parts that would be going on in your profile.


That's the thing, I now have daily realtime access to my EX reports, as well as to 4 EX scores (FICO 2, FICO 8, FICO Bankcard 8, FICO Auto 8). So I'm getting clean readings.


I agree fully with Heaven’s suggestion. The challenge is going to be fitting it in with the timing of 12 other cards reporting during the month. 

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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