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A better understanding of AZEO ?

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A better understanding of AZEO ?

Hey FicoFam ! , 

       So i have a discover cc where i am the primary and i have my wife as an AU and my wife has a discover where she is primary and im AU on her card. So i decided to pay off my cc to 0 balance to basically have max dti on point and thought i would get a boost being that her card is still reporting a balance . I guess AZEO method doesn't work in this example? Where did i go wrong , do i need to put back a small balance on my cc to gain the points backs that i lost ? Now the downside would be when we apply for mortgage soon they will have to factor her min payment and mine if i put back a small balance? What you think i should do ? Thanks in advance .

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Re: A better understanding of AZEO ?

It sounds like you've incurred the "no revolving credit" penalty, since for whatever reason the account that you're an AU on isn't being "counted" by the FICO algorithm.  This is one of the reasons it is always recommended on this forum that when implementing AZEO you want the one account with a balance to be one of your primary cards (not an AU account).  It's cool that you found out that it isn't counted, though.  You can also infer since it's also a Discover AU account that if your wife were to implement AZEO using your Discover account that she'd more than likely realize the same penalty.

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Re: A better understanding of AZEO ?

AUs don't necessarily work as the single card that reports a positive balance. Also avoid using a store card, a charge card (such as AMEX Gold), or a card with a limit over 34k.

 

For AZEO, it's best that you and your wife each choose a card where you're the primary user and the other isn't an AU. All cards with AUs should have balances of zero. If this isn't possible, I guess the next best thing would be to report a tiny balance (at least $5 but not much more) on a second card in which you're the primary user. If the balance is tiny, your DTI should still look good.

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Re: A better understanding of AZEO ?

Thank you all for the info , I will go ahead and put a small $5 balance on my primary.







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Re: A better understanding of AZEO ?

So , I just checked my wife's fico account and she also lost 6-8 points because my primary reported 0 balance. She is an AU on my account which makes no sense . What you guys think about this? Im starting to think that fico scoring likes balances on cards . Maybe I should put a $5 balance on all cards across the board ??







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@Fico82 wrote:
So , I just checked my wife's fico account and she also lost 6-8 points because my primary reported 0 balance.

Keep in mind that alert reasons are not always the reason for a score change provided at the time of the alert.  You could very well be making a wrongful correlation between the two.  Reporting balances across all your cards wouldn't be favorable in terms of Fico scoring relative to having reported balances on less of them.

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@Fico82 wrote:
So , I just checked my wife's fico account and she also lost 6-8 points because my primary reported 0 balance. She is an AU on my account which makes no sense . What you guys think about this? Im starting to think that fico scoring likes balances on cards . Maybe I should put a $5 balance on all cards across the board ??

There's a fairly odd thing that I and a few other people here have observed with FICO 8 and AU accounts - there appears to be a minor negative effect in some cases if all AU accounts on the report are at $0.

 

It's as though primary accounts and AU accounts are tracked in two separate groups, with a no-usage (all-zero) penalty applied to each separately.

 

EQ8:850 TU8:850 EX8:850
EQ9:850 TU9:850 EX9:850
EQ5:809 TU4:789 EX2:819 - 2019-09-06
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Re: A better understanding of AZEO ?

iv Are there any threads on that? That’s the first time I’ve ever heard that and I would like to read more about it.

I would’ve guessed the point loss was definitely from something else and that he was making an improper correlation as BBS suggested.

And in addition to the great advice above, I would also add: do not use a credit union card as your AZEO card.
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Installment loan reported this month,so technically, I'm at 2 months, but AoYA points were NOT reset. When new CCs hit and it is reset, I'll put the number it is.(Forgive typos, mobile.)(Everything said is Just IMHO.)
Scores updated AUG 4, '19.

You can see the score changes 2 months after adding 6 cards, 5 reported.





(Forgive typos, mobile.)(Everything said is Just IMHO.)
Scores updated OCT'19.
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Re: A better understanding of AZEO ?


@Birdman7 wrote:
And in addition to the great advice above, I would also add: do not use a credit union card as your AZEO card.

I forgot what kind of 'credit union card' doesn't work for AZEO. I'm pretty sure you told me before in another thread.

 

I just used my credit union Mastercard for AZEO ($35 balance) and I'm seeing a shift downward of the 'Accounts with balances' reason along with decent point gains (e.g., TU 8 +14, EX 2 +6,  more to come on my 3B later today).

27 FICO Scores + 3 VS3. MTG (Mortgage), AUT (Auto), and BKC (Bankcard) are scores 5,4, and 2 from the top.

New CRADIS contacts, bearing 1 carom 10. Just think of EQ, TU, and EX as Cylon Basestars.

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Re: A better understanding of AZEO ?

CassieCard Credit union credit cards are kind of an unknown. For instance, I got one point less when I used a credit union card as my AZEO card. So it’s not to say that one cannot be used but unless you test it first, it MAY not give you the highest score possible. And just for S and Gs, the credit union card that gave me one less point, shares the same processor as yours. So it’s not the fact that it may not work or that it may not shift reason codes, it just may not be optimal. But then again if it’s from a different processor who knows. It’s just the unknown.

Before I would use one, I would test it. That’s why the recommendation to use a national bankcard, since then there is no question and no need to test.
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Installment loan reported this month,so technically, I'm at 2 months, but AoYA points were NOT reset. When new CCs hit and it is reset, I'll put the number it is.(Forgive typos, mobile.)(Everything said is Just IMHO.)
Scores updated AUG 4, '19.

You can see the score changes 2 months after adding 6 cards, 5 reported.





(Forgive typos, mobile.)(Everything said is Just IMHO.)
Scores updated OCT'19.
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