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AZEO does not work for me... Must be in some rebuilder bucket?

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Anonymous
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Re: AZERO does not work for me... Must be in some rebuilder bucket?

If that's the case above, they are all coincidences; your score isn't dropping from balance paydowns.

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Anonymous
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Re: AZERO does not work for me... Must be in some rebuilder bucket?

How about detailing the COs and CAs?

They are involved is my gut.
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spiritcraft1
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Re: AZERO does not work for me... Must be in some rebuilder bucket?

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@Anonymous wrote:
How about detailing the COs and CAs?

They are involved is my gut.

I suspect the same.   The theory will be tested again as my NFCU $8k Flagship will report a $25 balance in a day or so.  (Was $1455.00 reported last month due to last payment posting just after stement cut).  This will be the test!

 

(2) Midland - 7K and 10k 4 YO.  DOFD 2-14

(1) Credit Management $300 - 3 YO, DOFD 2-2014

 

(7) CO's totaling $28K ranging from $2k to 15k, DOFD 3-2014


Biz |
Current F08 -
Current 2,4,5 -
Current F09 -
No PG Biz Credit in Order of Approval - Uline, Quill, Grainger, SupplyWorks, MSC, Amsterdam, Citi Tractor Supply Rev .8k, NewEgg Net 30 10k, Richelieu 2k, Wurth Supply 2k, Global Ind 2k, Sam's Club Store 11.k, Shell Fleet 19.5k, Citi Exxon 2.5k, Dell Biz Revolving $15k, B&H Photo, $5k

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Anonymous
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Re: AZERO does not work for me... Must be in some rebuilder bucket?

ok, first off, stop referring to your utilization as a low under 10% number; it is not. Unfortunately, FICO takes into account money owed on closed accounts. Unfortunately the CL used is 0 because its closed, but the amounts owed add to your utilization, unfortunately. Again, I don't know if it counts toward number of accounts with a balance.'

With that said, we need to take a fresh look at this from that perspective. Please list all TLs with corresponding CLs and individual utilization for each. Please detail both yours and wife's and let me know if you are AU on any and vice-versa.

If you can, include a few examples of changes and score increases, Before and after util, ect...

This seems very strange. Your util is over 100%, I believe. So why would adding more cause an increase? Doesn't work that way, so we're gonna have to dig deeper if we're going to have a chance of figuring it out, IMHO.

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spiritcraft1
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Re: AZERO does not work for me... Must be in some rebuilder bucket?


@Anonymous wrote:
ok, first off, stop referring to your utilization as a low under 10% number; it is not. Unfortunately, FICO takes into account money owed on closed accounts. Unfortunately the CL used is 0 because its closed, but the amounts owed add to your utilization, unfortunately. Again, I don't know if it counts toward number of accounts with a balance.'



I understand that.  I was alluding to the fact initially that AZERO may not work for those with CO's and CA's, or questioning it anyway.   Not that it matters in the end as all of the bad stuff will start coming of in a bit over a year.

 

The last drop was TransUnion, Lost 10 points - It showed below notation within same alert when $2,296 was paid, leaving only one small balance on NFCU GR card.  

 

"The total balance on all your Bankcard account(s) has decreased by $2296. This change applies to the sum of all Bankcard balances."

43,814.00----------> $41,518.00

 

Looking back further though, with Experian, I did lose 7 points by NOT doing AZERO and this alert claims 0% UTI rather that whatever TU says above with a $41k balance.. 

 

"The balance on one of your accounts has decreased by $1221"

Company Name NAVY FEDERAL CR UNION
  • Utilization Percentage
  • 8%----->0%0%
  • Balance Amount
  • $1,221.00----->$0.00

Experian seems to be working, several times I gained points reporting AZERO, TU, not so much

 

 

Here are the terrible facts in this case!  

 

Current Revolving:

NFCU GR:  $5k - $0 Balance

NFCU FShip:  $8k - $1,700 Reported Balance (will report $26.00 any moment)

AFCU Visa:  $2k - $27.00 Balance  (just reported, last payment did not post in time)

Discover: $1.5K - $0 Balance

AU - NFCU AMEX: $15K - 0 Balance

 

Installments

NFCU SSL: $5,001 - $441 balance

 

Charge Offs from Feb - May 2014

#1 - $5k - $4,587 Balance

#2 - $10k - $10,072 Balance

#3 - $6.5k - $7,558 Balance

#4 - $.4k - $518 Balance

#5 - $1.1k - $1,803 Balance

#6 - $600 - $812 Balance

#7 - $15K - $16,008 Balance

#8 - $6K - $0 Balance

#9 - $10k - $0 Balance

#10 - $2.8k - $0 Balance

Total:  $57,400 - $32,358 Balance

 

Collections:

$300.00

$11,000

$7,000

Total:  $18,300

 

Several other old closed revolvers and installments with perfect history.   EX 630, EQ 632, TU 645 As of last two days anyway.  I use MF and Experian subscriptions.

 

Wife is not going to be a good test as she has 2 CO's, 3 CA's but a $0 balance currently on 4 cards with another $15k card yet to report.  She will be a better test case in a month or so as figuring her old debt, whe will still be at a bit less than 30% UTI


Biz |
Current F08 -
Current 2,4,5 -
Current F09 -
No PG Biz Credit in Order of Approval - Uline, Quill, Grainger, SupplyWorks, MSC, Amsterdam, Citi Tractor Supply Rev .8k, NewEgg Net 30 10k, Richelieu 2k, Wurth Supply 2k, Global Ind 2k, Sam's Club Store 11.k, Shell Fleet 19.5k, Citi Exxon 2.5k, Dell Biz Revolving $15k, B&H Photo, $5k

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Anonymous
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Re: AZERO does not work for me... Must be in some rebuilder bucket?

Ok Experian is going to be your friend because it reports daily. You can also sign up for Wallethub for TransUnion daily updates. Equifax not so much.

WH is not gonna give you a FICO score (Vantage). That’s the bad part but at least you can keep track of the daily changes to the data.

Anyway I would like for you to watch Experian closely and with any change I’d like you to please report that and then we will also look at negative reason codes and have you search line by line and compare the two days reports for changes.

And remember when you report percentages utilization, make it a true utilizations, including the COs and CAs I believe?
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Anonymous
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Re: AZERO does not work for me... Must be in some rebuilder bucket?

By the way what do you mean by AZERO?

Ive only saw AZEO, I assume you do mean the same thing?
Message 17 of 21
spiritcraft1
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Re: AZERO does not work for me... Must be in some rebuilder bucket?


@Anonymous wrote:
Ok Experian is going to be your friend because it reports daily. You can also sign up for Wallethub for TransUnion daily updates. Equifax not so much.

WH is not gonna give you a FICO score (Vantage). That’s the bad part but at least you can keep track of the daily changes to the data.

Anyway I would like for you to watch Experian closely and with any change I’d like you to please report that and then we will also look at negative reason codes and have you search line by line and compare the two days reports for changes.

And remember when you report percentages utilization, make it a true utilizations, including the COs and CAs I believe?

Thank you.  Yes, I have WalletHub for my wife and I and I also get "Credit Sesame" through a CU which is also a daily TU puller.  I await that NFCU card reporting $26 so I can see what is going on.  Going through the MF alerts is very confusing as there is sometimes no reason given and other times it states due to X reason.  

 

Yes, I did mean AZEO, sorry.


Biz |
Current F08 -
Current 2,4,5 -
Current F09 -
No PG Biz Credit in Order of Approval - Uline, Quill, Grainger, SupplyWorks, MSC, Amsterdam, Citi Tractor Supply Rev .8k, NewEgg Net 30 10k, Richelieu 2k, Wurth Supply 2k, Global Ind 2k, Sam's Club Store 11.k, Shell Fleet 19.5k, Citi Exxon 2.5k, Dell Biz Revolving $15k, B&H Photo, $5k

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Anonymous
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Re: AZERO does not work for me... Must be in some rebuilder bucket?

Remember the number one rule, you cannot rely on a MF alert to point out the reason for any score change EVER. When it is correct, it’s simply a coincidence; there is no established correlation.
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spiritcraft1
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Re: AZERO does not work for me... Must be in some rebuilder bucket?


@Anonymous wrote:
Remember the number one rule, you cannot rely on a MF alert to point out the reason for any score change EVER. When it is correct, it’s simply a coincidence; there is no established correlation.

That is so helpful of them!    Waiting for this card to report is like watching paint dry!  It cut on Friday and usually is quick to hit EQ then TU and EX.  Tomorrow we will perhaps have a data point.


Biz |
Current F08 -
Current 2,4,5 -
Current F09 -
No PG Biz Credit in Order of Approval - Uline, Quill, Grainger, SupplyWorks, MSC, Amsterdam, Citi Tractor Supply Rev .8k, NewEgg Net 30 10k, Richelieu 2k, Wurth Supply 2k, Global Ind 2k, Sam's Club Store 11.k, Shell Fleet 19.5k, Citi Exxon 2.5k, Dell Biz Revolving $15k, B&H Photo, $5k

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