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atarvuzdar
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AZEO vs. AZ Data Point

So I usually just carry a balance on one of my BofA cards every month and pay everything else prior to statement cutting so I achieve AZEO. My 19 yr old daughter is an AA on the BofA card and uses it every few days while at college. I forgot, however, that she's home on summer break and, so, isn't using the card. So when I paid the balance on the card it reported @ $0 taking me to zero balances across the board. Oops.

 

This, of course, dropped my score. Not too concerned because I'm not seeking credit and I know I can just have my Citi balance report next week (or go the Chase route if I really needed the points back). Not even going to update my sig scores since they should rebound.

 

At the least, I figured this presented an opportunity to provide some data points (I know there are many out there already).

 

EQ: dropped from 784 to 772 (-12 pts)

TU: dropped from 786 to 765 (-21 pts)

EX: dropped from 791 to 766 (-25 pts)

 

All CRs are exactly the same except TU has 3 inqs while EQ & EX each have 1.

 

No derogs.

 

AoOA - 14 yrs 1 mo

AAoA - 5 yrs 1 mo

AoYA - 8 mos (mortgage) and 1 yr 11 mos (credit card)

 

Mortgage @ 97%

Student Loan @ >100%

 

20 total accounts (10 open, 10 closed)

 

Obviously my util is @ 0% but it's typically always under 1% (or, rounded up, @ 1%) when @ AZEO.

 

Don't think I've forgotten anything but let me know if you are curious about any other DPs.

 

Cheers!

FICO 8: EQ 846 / TU 836 / EX 832
AMEX Platinum / AMEX Gold / BofA Cash Rewards Visa Sig $99,900 / Chase Freedom Flex $54,400 / Citi Double Cash $21,700 / AMEX EveryDay $30,000 / Gemini $25,000 / Chase Freedom Unlimited $25,500 / Chase SP $15,000
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Anonymous
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Re: AZEO vs. AZ Data Point

Interesting that your EX drop was > 2X that of your EQ drop; typically the score drop I've seen from going from AZEO to AZ has been 15-20 points across all 3B, give or take.  The most I've seen on my profile is 22 points, the least 14 points.

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SouthJamaica
Mega Contributor

Re: AZEO vs. AZ Data Point


@atarvuzdar wrote:

@Anonymous I usually just carry a balance on one of my BofA cards every month and pay everything else prior to statement cutting so I achieve AZEO. My 19 yr old daughter is an AA on the BofA card and uses it every few days while at college. I forgot, however, that she's home on summer break and, so, isn't using the card. So when I paid the balance on the card it reported @ $0 taking me to zero balances across the board. Oops.

 

This, of course, dropped my score. Not too concerned because I'm not seeking credit and I know I can just have my Citi balance report next week (or go the Chase route if I really needed the points back). Not even going to update my sig scores since they should rebound.

 

At the least, I figured this presented an opportunity to provide some data points (I know there are many out there already).

 

EQ: dropped from 784 to 772 (-12 pts)

TU: dropped from 786 to 765 (-21 pts)

EX: dropped from 791 to 766 (-25 pts)

 

All CRs are exactly the same except TU has 3 inqs while EQ & EX each have 1.

 

No derogs.

 

AoOA - 14 yrs 1 mo

AAoA - 5 yrs 1 mo

AoYA - 8 mos (mortgage) and 1 yr 11 mos (credit card)

 

@Anonymous @ 97%

@Anonymous Loan @ >100%

 

20 total accounts (10 open, 10 closed)

 

@Obviously my util is @ 0% but it's typically always under 1% (or, rounded up, @ 1%) when @ AZEO.

 

Don't think I've forgotten anything but let me know if you are curious about any other DPs.

 

Cheers!


Wow that is heavy.

 

So much for those who think it doesn't really matter if you micromanage or not.

 

 


Total revolving limits 569520 (505320 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 684 EX 682




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Anonymous
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Re: AZEO vs. AZ Data Point


@SouthJamaica

 

So much for those who think it doesn't really matter if you micromanage or not.

 

 


I mean, it does and it doesn't.  Looking at the OPs before/after scores, regardless of AZEO vs AZ he'd still be able to obtain top-tier rates for the product(s) he applies for.  If his before scores were (say) 50 points less, taking the hits he took could possibly drop him into a lower tier.  Of course, the only "necessary" micromanaging regardless would be in the 45 days or so leading up to a potential app.

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SouthJamaica
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Re: AZEO vs. AZ Data Point


@Anonymous wrote:

@SouthJamaica

 

So much for those who think it doesn't really matter if you micromanage or not.

 

 


I mean, it does and it doesn't.  Looking at the OPs before/after scores, regardless of AZEO vs AZ he'd still be able to obtain top-tier rates for the product(s) he applies for.  If his before scores were (say) 50 points less, taking the hits he took could possibly drop him into a lower tier.  Of course, the only "necessary" micromanaging regardless would be in the 45 days or so leading up to a potential app.


This from someone who is working on 850's.


Total revolving limits 569520 (505320 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 684 EX 682




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atarvuzdar
Established Contributor

Re: AZEO vs. AZ Data Point

Thanks for the comments, both of you! I will say, if this had happened in the middle of some app or another I would've panicked a little even if I'm still in the relatively top tier. For myself, I'm hoping to crack 800 but I don't think that'll happen until my AoYA exceeds 2 yrs and/or my installment % decreases. 

FICO 8: EQ 846 / TU 836 / EX 832
AMEX Platinum / AMEX Gold / BofA Cash Rewards Visa Sig $99,900 / Chase Freedom Flex $54,400 / Citi Double Cash $21,700 / AMEX EveryDay $30,000 / Gemini $25,000 / Chase Freedom Unlimited $25,500 / Chase SP $15,000
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Thomas_Thumb
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Re: AZEO vs. AZ Data Point


@Anonymous wrote:

@SouthJamaica

 

So much for those who think it doesn't really matter if you micromanage or not.


I mean, it does and it doesn't.  Looking at the OPs before/after scores, regardless of AZEO vs AZ he'd still be able to obtain top-tier rates for the product(s) he applies for.  If his before scores were (say) 50 points less, taking the hits he took could possibly drop him into a lower tier.  Of course, the only "necessary" micromanaging regardless would be in the 45 days or so leading up to a potential app.


The other thing to note here is the drop in score did actually relate to the practice of micromanaging payments to ensure zero balances post. Smiley Wink The OP just went too far and all reported zero. This would not happen if not for micromanaging to pay off balances before statement dates.

 

The drop in score due to all cards at zero is more severe than allowing nominal balances to report on multiple cards and then PIF of the reported balance. 

 

A 20 point drop is typical for all zeros (no recent activity on revolving accounts). In comparison a thin file with only 3 cards total would likely see only a 5 point drop or less going from 1 to 2 cards and 10 points or less going from 1 to 3 reporting balances. Possibly no impact on Fico 8 going to 3 cards reporting if the file has 6 cards or more - depending on CRA. Experian (EX) is most lenient.  A significant score drop with all zeros happens regardless of # of open revolvers in the file. (significant = greater than 10 points)

 

1) If a profile has 2 cards, better to report nominal balances on both cards as opposed to zero on both. I believe this will hold true for all Fico models.

2) If a profile has 3 cards less impact on Fico 8 having 3 cards report small balances then all reporting zero. Unfortunately, the older Fico 04 and Fico 98 mortgage models may treat 3 of 3 more harshly than all zero - (specifically EQ). 

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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atarvuzdar
Established Contributor

Re: AZEO vs. AZ Data Point

Hi just a quick update that, as expected, once my Citi reported and got me back to AZEO my scores rebounded to where they were originally.
FICO 8: EQ 846 / TU 836 / EX 832
AMEX Platinum / AMEX Gold / BofA Cash Rewards Visa Sig $99,900 / Chase Freedom Flex $54,400 / Citi Double Cash $21,700 / AMEX EveryDay $30,000 / Gemini $25,000 / Chase Freedom Unlimited $25,500 / Chase SP $15,000
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