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About to see my first all zero penalty - UPDATE #2

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Zoostation1
Valued Contributor

About to see my first all zero penalty - UPDATE #2

I'm switching up having my Savor One report a balance to my Discover Chrome so here comes the all zero penalty!  Here's to losing ~20pts for about 10 days Smiley LOL  They're only ten days apart on closing date with the S1 closing today so it won't be for long but will be interesting to see.  While the card has gotten some usage every month (probably would get more if they would allow PCs to the cash back rotating categories card), I haven't let it report a balance in a year.  I think I'm going to rotate which card gets a balance reported more often for the medium term.  Also, when I am back at AZEO later this month, I'll be lower on aggregate but not in a manner that will matter scoring wise. The inidivual utilization will be down a few points and should put me below the 28.9% threshold so I'm wondering how many points I'll gain back from my previous small loss prior to this all zero penalty.  I only lost 4, 0, 5 going from 2% individual on FICO 8 to 31.5% on the same card so I'm expecting to only gain a point or two at most on EQ and EX.  Time to wait and see what happens.

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Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: About to see my first all zero penalty

Congratulation! Looking forward to your data points.

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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Horseshoez
Senior Contributor

Re: About to see my first all zero penalty

I'm busy to the point of not having the time or energy (or even inclination) to practice, so I simply PIF my cards a few days before the due date and move on.  Most months I end up AZEO or AZE2 as a few latent charges trickle in between my payment and the statement; this month I'm going to get hit with the All-Zero penalty for the fourth time in the last two years.  No worries though, my scores will most likely bounce back next month.  Smiley Happy

Chapter 13:

  • Burned: AMEX, Chase, Citi, Wells Fargo, and South County Bank (now Bank of Southern California)
  • Filed: 26-Feb-2015
  • MoC: 01-Mar-2015
  • 1st Payment (posted): 23-Mar-2015
  • Last Payment (posted): 07-Feb-2020
  • Discharged: 04-Mar-2020
  • Closed: 23-Jun-2020

 

I categorically refuse to do AZEO!

In the proverbial sock drawer:
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FireMedic1
Community Leader
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Re: About to see my first all zero penalty

What goes down. Must come up. Its only for 30 days.



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Zoostation1
Valued Contributor

Re: About to see my first all zero penalty


@FireMedic1 wrote:

What goes down. Must come up. Its only for 30 days.


Won't even be 30 days unless there's some bad delays in reporting! I'll be back to AZEO before my monthly 3B pull, so I won't get to see how it affects anything but FICO 8 classic.

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Zoostation1
Valued Contributor

Re: About to see my first all zero penalty

Got my updated FICO 8 scores with the all zero penalty now that SavorOne is at 0, and results were EQ -14, TU -12, EX -18.  I'm not updating the scores in my siggy yet since I should  have Discover reporting a balance before my monthly 3B pull, but will update here again with any rebound.

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Zoostation1
Valued Contributor

Re: About to see my first all zero penalty

Discover reported a $500 balance to all 3 so now I'm back to AZEO from all zero.  So going from prior to balance experiementation to now on 4 cards, no installment, BK7 still reporting

 

AZEO 1.8% indiv. <1% aggregate:  EQ8 683 TU8 676 EX8 677

AZEO 31.5% indiv, 7.1%aggregate: EQ8 679, TU8 676 , EX8 672

All zero: EQ 6658, TU8 672, EX8 665

AZEO: 27.7% indiv, 3.6% aggretate:  EQ8 683, TU8 684, EX8 677

 

Somewhere in between the 31.5% reporting and the all zero I must have hit some aging point(no clue what the metric would have been) on TU8 since it temporarily increased in between the higher balance reporting and the change to all zero when i decided to change which card reported.  Nonetheless I find it most interesting that EQ8 and EX8 are treating 1.8% and 27.7% individual utilization the same for scoring.  Since all of this went on mid cycle relative to my 3B reports I have no idea how FICO 9 or 10 models reacted other than i'm pretty sure from past data that FICO9 will gain a few points for being ultra low on one card if you're AZEO .

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Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: About to see my first all zero penalty

Nice datapoints.

 

In general most profiles won't experience a penalty for individual card utilization below 29% threshold. However, the penalty threshold for aggregate utilization is much lower, typically 9% but some report a penalty going above 5% aggregate. I don't see one until 9%.

 

You may want to test 2 cards reporting "small" balances vs 1.  Point drop at 2 reporting should be minimal, 5 points at most. It is better to have AZE2 report during a transition than AZ.

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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SouthJamaica
Mega Contributor

Re: About to see my first all zero penalty


@Thomas_Thumb wrote:

Nice datapoints.

 

In general most profiles won't experience a penalty for individual card utilization below 29% threshold. However, the penalty threshold for aggregate utilization is much lower, typically 9% but some report a penalty going above 5% aggregate. I don't see one until 9%.

 

You may want to test 2 cards reporting "small" balances vs 1.  Point drop at 2 reporting should be minimal, 5 points at most. It is better to have AZE2 report during a transition than AZ.


And some report no aggregate utilization "threshold" at all. My experience has been that the higher it is, the worse it is, and the lower it is, the better. In my case every full integer difference normally results in some small gain or loss, and no particular number operates as a "threshold" to cause a substantial gain or loss. I.e. the difference between 8% and 9%, would be the same difference as what is experienced between 9% and 10%, or between 7% and 8%.


Total revolving limits 568220 (504020 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




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Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: About to see my first all zero penalty

And most disagree with your belief regarding aggregate utilization.

 

I don't recall anyone reporting data showing a drop in score in the 1% to 4% range. The lowest anyone has mentioned was 5%. It even appears that our OP just reported data showing no score loss going from under 1% ag to 3.6% ag.

 

Saying no lowest ag ut% threshold exists is wrong and not supported by poster data.

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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