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Hi Absolution 16,
Fifty points is an incredible bump. Congrats! I will be overjoyed if I get half of that. The loan account just hit two of my credit bureaus in the last few days but not much in the way of a FICO change yet. I guess it takes another month feel the FICO impact.
Congrats again!
Mine hit EQ and TU this weekend... Still waiting for EX. No other changes except SSL $44/500 added.
TU - 690 > 718 (+28)
EQ - 691 > 723 (+32)
Clean file except BK7 (1/2008)
1 Closed Installment loan
AAOA 1.1 yr
Oldest 3.2 yr
1% UTI
Total CL $52,000 across 8 accounts.
Pretty happy with this!!!! Thank you!!!
Jorgasm and Absolution,
I'm so happy about the huge FICO boost you two got. Mine barely moved. EQ went from 785 to 788, TU was unchanged and haven't heard from EX yet.
YAL... do you know what your AAoA was before the loan appeared, and then after? I am wondering whether you crossed over an integer value in your AAoA. (e.g. going from 1.3 to 0.9. or 2.2 to 1.7, etc.).
When the loan appeared, did it show a very low balance (< $44.90)? Or was the balance higher than that?
It would also be interesting to know what your other factors were before and after adding the loan:
* Total number of open credit cards
* Of these, the number reporting a $0 balance
* Your total CC utilization
* Whether any particular card had a high individual utilization
Also interesting to know would be whether your reports have any derogs on them. Profiles with derogs show less of a benefit, since they have a more constrained ceiling of how high they can go.
And just to confirm: before the SS loan appeared, you had no installment loans on your report? (No mortgarge, student loan, car loan, etc.) And as of today you only have one installment loan (the SS loan)?
Hi Credit Guy In Dixie,
My Alliant loan was for $500 and it reported to TU and EQ with a current balance of $80 on April 30, 2016. A few days later, I did a second pay-down after the initial May 5 auto-pay went through leaving the loan with a balance under 9% but that was not reflected on the April 30 credit reporting. Maybe I will get a more robust FICO jump next month. No derogatory items on any report. One card reporting a $600 balance with a $30,000 limit. Total utilization less than 1%. As explained below, I had one closed installment loan reporting on two of my reports. The Alliant loan is the only open installment loan.
There is so much happening on my report right now, and so quickly, that I certainly can't figure out the AAofA at all. It has definitely crossed an integer in the last few days, more like 8 integers. A totally new Discover account reported the day before the Alliant report and I had a very odd situation with Amex that reported about the same time. I got an Amex Blue Cash Everyday and a Platinum a few weeks ago and neither has yet reported. What did report for the first time last week is an Amex Blue originally opened in 1999. My girlfriend died last year and she had an Amex Blue which she last used in January and February 2015. I had paid the bill those two months but never used the card. It had a zero balance and about 50,000 membership rewards. Soon after I applied for my own Amex cards it occurred to me that I should let Amex know that she had died and to close her account. When I called, something very surprising happened. The rep asked me if I wanted to "assume" her account. I had been monitoring her Amex account online monthly since last year to make sure there was no unauthorized use and I knew there was no use at all and her account had a zero balance. The rep said I would become responsible for the balance, which was zero, and the accumulated reward points would come along with the account, which Amex would transfer to my name, so I took it. Well, Amex Blue account entered my report a few days ago with an open date of 1999, her original opening date. This hit my report a couple of days before the Alliant loan reported. So you might think that the boost of AAofA from a 17 year old account suddenly appearing out of thin air might offset the drop in AAofA brought on by the new Alliant account and the new Discover account, right? Well it didn't. My TU report went from an average age of 26 years 5 months on February 19, 2016, based on a MyFico triple bureau report to 21 years 3 months on May 9, 2016, based upon a Credit Check Total report. My EX went from 28 years 1 month to 20 years 10 months, for the same time period. While EQ went from 22 years 9, months on April 22, 2016 to 19 years 4 months on May 9, 2016. The TU and EX are big drops and don't intuitively make sense to me, but there is obviously a lot I do not understand about AAofA. Before the new accounts started reporting, I had a total of 15 account but only one account that was truly open a bank credit card with a $30,000 limit. One or maybe two accounts were reporting on some reports as open when in reality they were closed. And the three bureaus were not necessarily reporting the identical accounts. I had a student loan, for example, opened in 1996 and closed in 2009 that was on TU and EQ but omitted entirely from my 2016 EX reports (though it did appear on EX in 2013). Oddly, my total number of accounts was the same on all three reports (15) because of a store card closed in 2007 which was and is still reporting on EX but is omitted from TU or EQ. So the short answer to all my yapping is that my AAofA seems odd and is totally indecipherable to me. I spent a couple of hours last night trying to calculate it on paper and the numbers I came up with did not match the commercially prepared numbers. I'm usually not mathematically limited either, I was a CPA for 17 years before I changed careers. I tried to get a computer wiz I know to make an Excel spreadsheet to calculate AAofA, not just for now but for dates in the future, and he wasn't able to incorporate the feature of calculating AAofA for a future date, so I abandoned that effort. From now on, am just going to accept whatever the commercial sites say my AAofA is. Sorry I can't contribute meaningful data points but my data is all over the place and isn't making sense during this period of rapid changes to my credit profile.
@Anonymous wrote:
...but also wondering how the tradelines will read!
You can see screenshots in messages a page or two back.
Hey YAL. (I love how your screenname abbreviates to the awesome plural You of my adopted region of the US.)
You are right that you will get more scoring benefit when your loan reports with < 9% owed. You are about 16% now.
You also write:
There is so much happening on my report right now, and so quickly.... Sorry I can't contribute meaningful data points but my data is all over the place and isn't making sense during this period of rapid changes to my credit profile.
Yessir! And that's ok -- you are just being honest and insightful about where your profile is. There is so much extra noise going on that you shouldn't try to deduce anything about the degree of help you are getting from the SS loan.
What you can do (if you are comfortable doing so) is trust that you have made a good decision with adding this loan. The reason is that it couldn't be anything but a good decision -- precisely because you are going from a profile with no open installment loans to one with an open loan that is mostly paid off. (and which as an added bonus involved no hard inquiry). Trust that the logic given in the second post of this thread (Why It Works) is sound. If it was persusive before it should be persuasive now too -- the only reason you can't see the huge benefit others are seeing is that your profile lacked their stability in the two months before and 1-2 months after.
Give your profile a few months to stabilize (and focus during that time on reading your reports rather than scores, making sure the data makes sense, etc.). Also you may want to start a separate thread (if you have not done so) that focuses just on getting some help with learning how to assess your AAoA. I like your idea a lot of using a spreadsheet. The good news is that (once things settle down a bit) your AAoA sounds like it will still be extremely high as will be your AOA (Age of Oldest Account).
Sorry from all of us to hear about your loss last year. That must have been terrible.
Good luck moving forward. You have done a good thing with opening this loan, regardless.
Thanks CreditGuy!
@yapsalot wrote:
I tried to get a computer wiz I know to make an Excel spreadsheet to calculate AAofA, not just for now but for dates in the future, and he wasn't able to incorporate the feature of calculating AAofA for a future date, so I abandoned that effort. From now on, am just going to accept whatever the commercial sites say my AAofA is. Sorry I can't contribute meaningful data points but my data is all over the place and isn't making sense during this period of rapid changes to my credit profile.
I came up with an Excel spreadsheet that can make that calculation for you: http://www.tc.umn.edu/~lemay/future-AAoA.xlsx
It has some of my card data in it right now as an example. Basically, the Drop Date is the date the credit line will drop off of your credit reports, leave it blank if the card is still open. The Todays Date column is obviously whatever date you want to calculate the AAoA for, just edit the first date as all the others auto fill from that one.
Then it calculates the age of each credit line, and then half of the magic is when it calculates the Credit Report Age, which is to say it copies the previously calculated age unless todays date is past the drop date, then it leaves it blank. The other half of the magic is in the Excel Average() function, which ignores blank fields, so the sum of the Credit Report Ages is divided by the number of ages that are not blank (which solves another major hassle...)
Hopefully this is useful.