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newhis
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Re: WOW!!!! Re: Adding an installment loan -- the Share Secure technique


@Revelate wrote:

@newhis wrote:

 

Also shows that you can get a good mid 700 score in 9 months with only 1 card and 1 SSL (TU score).


Could get to that just with 2-3 open credit cards for a year too.  760 year 1, 800 year 2 on FICO 8... the installment loan is just extra goodness.


 Yes, I got 2 cards on a clean report and my first TU FICO 8 was 731 after just 6 months.

 

For me the biggest advantage is having a clean report. That way it just takes 2-3 years to be over 800.

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Anonymous
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Re: Adding an installment loan -- the Share Secure technique

Thank you very much for this valuable detailed information!!
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Anonymous
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Re: WOW!!!! Re: Adding an installment loan -- the Share Secure technique

I got very lucky with the old Line of credit, which on EX ilast reported as closed 2008.

 

My EX file is really simple: 1 CC (opened 3/16, $7.07/$500), 1 SSL (opened 9/16, $42.99/$500 & 1 PLOC (opened 22 years ago, closed 2008, $0/300) .

Only 1 inq from CAP1.

Thats it!!!

 

Everything else is clean...not degrogs, lates or public records.

All that  bad stuff I assume dropped off long  before I knew what a credit score or report was. Considering the mess I made 2002-2008, I am amazed there is no record...never BK'd, but plenty of cc lates, medical lates & collections and likely a chargeoff or 2.

Interestingly enough, the other old good stuff is missing too...no record of other old trade lines which I think should still be reporting since some were still active within last 10 years (5 old CC + 1 AU CC...all of which got shut down). Perhaps a good discussion for another thread.

 

I think my previous remarks about a substantial initial FAKO drop with EQ were related to the fact that on EQ the old PLOC last reported in 2007 as open...so I think with EQ I may already have had the added points from some form of installment loan....although it is reported as an uncategorized revolver....whatever that is. My EQ has 4 inq, so that score is lower.

 

Should be interesting to see what TU looks like with a new 3B pull since it lacks history of the old PLOC.

 

Should also be interesting to see what I do next...I'm really at a loss. Do I keep gardening? Stick to my plan to app AMEX for 1 CC to grow to $10k? or Massive app spree to grab as many forever, no AF cards to build a thick file...and some rewards too? SD the CC & go back to just debit card...just incase I try to buy a house?

The clock is ticking before my old line drops...

(I'm open to suggestions for datapoints....would be nice to slowly grow & see how sustainable the new EX score really is).

 

 

 

 

 

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Revelate
Moderator Emeritus

Re: WOW!!!! Re: Adding an installment loan -- the Share Secure technique


@Anonymous wrote:

Should also be interesting to see what I do next...I'm really at a loss. Do I keep gardening? Stick to my plan to app AMEX for 1 CC to grow to $10k? or Massive app spree to grab as many forever, no AF cards to build a thick file...and some rewards too? SD the CC & go back to just debit card...just incase I try to buy a house?

The clock is ticking before my old line drops...

(I'm open to suggestions for datapoints....would be nice to slowly grow & see how sustainable the new EX score really is).

 

 


While I'd certainly be interested in datapoints on a well tracked new clean file, I'd be doing you a disservice if I didn't suggest you go abuse EX for whatever goal cards you want now, or at least try to.

 

You should figure out that house bit, are you talking like now or in a couple years?  If a year or more (and maybe down to six months actually), I'd go pick out a couple of cards that covered my rewards spend between Chase and Amex who mostly pull EX and see if they overlooked the file awkwardness but that's me.  I'd also go establish a relationship with a quality CU and I'd also consider doing it as a secured card just so you can be pretty much assured of keeping it forever, and with many CU's offering 3% on underlying deposits these days it's not entirely dead capital.  I saw the financial downturn and if it goes south again I'm sure I'm going to lose some of my accounts, but as long as I can keep one for oldest tradeline, I'll be happy.  Your file is case in point for the power of the oldest tradeline, but FWIW when it came to a decisioning process I'd bet on my dirty file over yours if we got to human UW even with your 850 score heh.

 

You will probably need an additional few tradelines for mortgage qualification... there are some lenders that will UW on 1 tradeline but many are at 3-4 whereas sans PLOC I think you're at 2.  I will state that score will be gone as soon as the PLOC is gone, you'll likely drop back to where the other bureaus are, and I would establish new accounts now and get that all aging immediately.

 

Only constant in the algorithm is that time passes, and as such take any negatives (like an inquiry / new account) as soon as possible to put yourself in the best shape in the future, and in your case you can shortcut a bit based on the score if the lenders don't look sideways at it (which they might, but it's worth a shot).

 

Finally if you're disciplined enough to not spend outside your means, stop using the debit card altogether and use the rewards cards and take the extra protection and benefits credit cards give.  There's really no reason to ever use a debit card again unless that's all they'll take, and you can always pre-pay the credit cards (or just use a different one with a different statement date) when it comes to getting pretty for a mortgage... do that 2 months ahead of when you plan to go for a mortgage and call it good.




        
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newhis
Valued Contributor

Re: Adding an installment loan -- the Share Secure technique

My Discover card just updated the TU FICO for me and it is just 6 points higher than 2 months ago (18 from last month)

 

Still have as red factor "lack of recent installment loan information".

 

Question: Do you think is possible that the loan reported to EX and not TU?

 

Credit.com now say I have an open loan, so I guess EX is fine. I can't get EQ information for now. And I can't open a CK account. I will ask for TU report by mail.

 

EDIT: Thank you Revelate, the problem is that I can't access any online service (free or paid) but credit.com. When I get a SSN I'm sure everything will be easier.

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Revelate
Moderator Emeritus

Re: Adding an installment loan -- the Share Secure technique


@newhis wrote:

My Discover card just updated the TU FICO for me and it is just 6 points higher than 2 months ago (18 from last month)

 

Still have as red factor "lack of recent installment loan information".

 

Question: Do you think is possible that the loan reported to EX and not TU?

 

Credit.com now say I have an open loan, so I guess EX is fine. I can't get EQ information for now. And I can't open a CK account. I will ask for TU report by mail.


Cap 1 creditwise is TU.  Think there's some other free TU data services but I forget offhand.  Oh Credit Sesame too, guess I haven't logged into there since May which suggests what I think of the service now heh.

 

Oh meh, TU the bureau is way ahead of MF TU monitoring right now (ahead of EX/EQ monitoring too) it's got all my expected updates where I'm still missing them from the monitoring solutions... I was starting to wonder if Discover actually did to the midcycle update I requested but there it is!

 




        
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masscredit
Senior Contributor

Re: Adding an installment loan -- the Share Secure technique

Has anyone been declined for this SSL? A friend is trying to rebuild her credit so I gave her a few suggestions. She checked her EX score through Discover. It said "Unscoreable". She's definately at the bottom with only one way to go so I think this and a secured card will be a good start. 

EQ - 693 / TU - 664 / EX - 675

Capital One Savor - $16000 / Capital One Venture - $13000 / Travel Advantage Visa - $11500 / TD Cash Card - $7500 / Bread Rewards AMEX - $6950 / Apple Card - $6500 / TD Double Up - $5500 / Mercury - $5000 / Ally Master Card - $4300 / DCU Visa - $3000 / Capital One QuickSilver - $500
$79,750
DCU Auto Loan
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Anonymous
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Re: Adding an installment loan -- the Share Secure technique

I have not heard of anyone's SSL application being rejected, but that means very little.  What is known for sure is that they do a soft pull of your credit report, which to my mind must mean that it is possible for Alliant's review of the report to come back with a NO to the application.  Why do a pull if they are going to approve everybody?

 

On the other hand, maybe their NO's are reserved for people with substantial negatives.  If I am guessing right, your friend doesn't have derogs, just an absence of accounts.  Is that right?

 

My own advice, as long as she's not in a rush, is to start with a secured card, and then the SSL in six months once she has a FICO score.  On the other hand, purely from my own selfish motives, I'd be fine with her being a guinea pig for what happens when a person with a totally empty credit file applies for an Alliant SSL.  It would be interesting to see what happens.

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masscredit
Senior Contributor

Re: Adding an installment loan -- the Share Secure technique

She has a BK from about 5 years ago and hasn't done anything with her credit since. I believe there were positive accounts before that so I'm surprised they aren't able to provide a score. 

EQ - 693 / TU - 664 / EX - 675

Capital One Savor - $16000 / Capital One Venture - $13000 / Travel Advantage Visa - $11500 / TD Cash Card - $7500 / Bread Rewards AMEX - $6950 / Apple Card - $6500 / TD Double Up - $5500 / Mercury - $5000 / Ally Master Card - $4300 / DCU Visa - $3000 / Capital One QuickSilver - $500
$79,750
DCU Auto Loan
Message 679 of 1,921
Anonymous
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Re: Adding an installment loan -- the Share Secure technique


@masscredit wrote:

She has a BK from about 5 years ago and hasn't done anything with her credit since. I believe there were positive accounts before that so I'm surprised they aren't able to provide a score. 


In order to receive a valid FICO® Score, the credit report must have:

  • At least one account opened for six months or more, and
  • At least one account that has been reported to the credit bureau within the past six months, and
  • No indication of deceased on the credit report (Please note, if you share an account with another person this may affect you if the other account holder is reported deceased).

http://www.myfico.com/CreditEducation/questions/requirement-for-fico-score.aspx

 

Since no accounts have been reported for a few years, that stopped her from having a FICO score.  What she should do first is get a copy of all three reports and make sure she understands them and that they are basically accuirate.

 

Then add a secured card.  Use it every month but keep it reporting at < 8.99% utilization.

 

Once she has a true FICO score, she can apply for the SS loan.

 

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