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Alliant SSL caused FICO score DROP

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arkane
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Alliant SSL caused FICO score DROP

I pulled my FICO scores on Jan 1 using CCT, at the time they were:

 

EQ: 764

TU: 770

EX: 760

 

AAoA was 1.4 years, 1% util ($262/$5000 on one card), and the SSL had not yet been reported.

 

Fast forward to today (Jan 10), the Alliant SSL (paid down to $42/$500) has shown up on EQ and TU, and my scores dropped :

 

EQ: 742 Smiley SurprisedSmiley Sad

TU: 760

EX: 760 (SSL not reported yet)

 

AAoA is still 1.2 years, but to be fair I'm now at $1039/$5000 on one card, so individual util jumped from 5.2% to 21%. Although this shouldn't matter as it hasn't been reported yet.

 

What's even more interesting are the reason codes given for EQ and TU.

 

Under positive factors, TU lists "Substantial installment loan repayment" while this is notably absent from EQ. And instead, EQ now has an additional negative factor for "seeking credit", which was not present on the Jan 1 report. Additionally, the positive factor of "few accounts with balances" has now disappeared from both EQ and TU.

 

I'm starting to think I might be getting dinged for "too many new accounts" even though it's not listed as a factor, because I can't for the life of me figure out why my EQ08 tanked by 22 points and my TU08 also dropped 10 points with an installment loan reporting. It's not like I crossed some AAoA threshold either since it only dropped from 16 months to 14 months.

 

My only logical explanation at this point is I've been rebucketed and unfortunately landed in a bucket where my AAoA and AoYA is really hurting me. Smiley Sad

 

Either way, thought I'd share to get some feedback and stimulate some discussion.

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Anonymous
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Re: Alliant SSL caused FICO score DROP

On the SSL that has recently reported, what is the reported balance and the original amount of the loan?

 

And can you confirm for the people on the thread that you have no other open installment accounts?  (Loans, auto leases, etc.)  Also of interest is whether you had any closed installment accounts.

 

Can you check through all of your CC balances as they appear on both reports?  (Jan 1 and 10)  You mention a change in one credit card but then mention it hasn't changed on the report. 

 

What tool did you use to get your scores today?  Was it another CCT pull, complete with a fresh updated credit report?   You may want to use one or two other tools to check your reports, just to be on the safe side, e.g. Karma.

 

Curious to hear more.

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arkane
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Re: Alliant SSL caused FICO score DROP


@Anonymous wrote:

On the SSL that has recently reported, what is the reported balance and the original amount of the loan?

 

High limit (loan amount) = $500

Reported balance = $42

 

And can you confirm for the people on the thread that you have no other open installment accounts?  (Loans, auto leases, etc.)  Also of interest is whether you had any closed installment accounts.

 

The Alliant SSL is my first and only installment account of any kind

 

Can you check through all of your CC balances as they appear on both reports?  (Jan 1 and 10)  You mention a change in one credit card but then mention it hasn't changed on the report. 

 

Both reports still show a balance of $262 on my Barclays Uber. I only mentioned the change in util in case it factors in somehow.

 

What tool did you use to get your scores today?  Was it another CCT pull, complete with a fresh updated credit report?   You may want to use one or two other tools to check your reports, just to be on the safe side, e.g. Karma.

 

Yes it was another CCT pull I managed to squeeze in at the very end of my trial membership. Can't check CK until Friday, but Chase Credit Journey and Transunion True ID all have matching reports.

 

Curious to hear more.


 

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Anonymous
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Re: Alliant SSL caused FICO score DROP

Before the SSL, what is (was) the age of your youngest account?  If it was > 1 year and just dropped to 0 months, that could impact your score adversely.

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arkane
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Re: Alliant SSL caused FICO score DROP

Youngest account was 1 month (or is it 2 months going by how CRAs calculate age?). Actually make that 3 accounts since I opened 3 new revolvers in November. Should this even matter though? Don't remember seeing anyone complain in the mega thread their score went down, usually it's a boost of 20-30 points, but mine went the other way. Smiley Indifferent

 

What I don't understand is why the ding to my EQ score is so much greater than my TU score. I mean yes I have 3 inq on EQ vs only 1 on TU, but before the SSL there was only a 6 point spread. Everything seem to point towards me being rebucketed with EQ at least. There's just no other logical explanation. (unless installment accounts also count towards AZEO) Now I can't wait to find out how much of a ding EX will doll out ugh.

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It's just such a bizarre result that no one else has ever described -- so strange that I would continue to look for something else that could have caused it (a late payment, etc.).

 

There are two clear ways that your score should have been helped:

       (1) Sharply improved Credit Mix (going from no installment accounts of any kind, closed or open)

       (2) Sharply improved Installment Utilization (no open loans --> an IU of 8.9%).

 

The Age of Youngest was not substantially affected (3 months to 0) the AAoA should not have resulted in a score change (1.4 years to 1.2), and there was no hard inquiry.

 

Do you have the negative reason codes on both Jan 1 and 10, for the two CRAs that dropped?  (That's a total of four sets of reason codes.

 

How many total accounts did you have, closed and open each, for both Jan 1 and 10, focusing on the two CRAs that dropped?  What was your Age of Oldest Account for those two CRAs?

 

Age of Oldest, Age of Youngest, and Total Number of Accounts are supposed to be the three factors that FICO 8 uses to determine scorecard assignment.  I am trying to get a handle on what could have happened there too.

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arkane
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Trust me I'm scratching my head just as much. It's so phenomenally bizarre that I truly don't have the faintest clue as to what could have possibly happened apart from saying I got rebucketed. Someone get T_Thumb in here pronto! Smiley LOL

 

Instead of typing out a wall of text I'm just gonna show you the following 4 screenshots that should provide all the needed info:

 

Jan 1

CCT Jan 1 summary.jpgCCT Jan 1.jpg

 

Jan 10

 

CCT Jan 10 summary.jpgCCT Jan 10.jpg

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Revelate
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Re: Alliant SSL caused FICO score DROP

The positive factors ignore.  Seriously, they have no bearing on your score at all and aren't generated from the algorithm... they're just someone's interpretation of your score.  That is true of the green factors in myFICO's interface too.

 

Your throw away comment might've been spot on: if you have an additional "Seeking Credit" reason code you may have shifted to a different scorecard, maybe.  Was this your first installment loan of any type open or closed and how many total tradelines?

 

Something is a bit weird anyway.  That said 760 is in line with what I'd expect after a year of history basically.  CCT doesn't give you more reason codes than that?  Awkward.




        
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arkane
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Re: Alliant SSL caused FICO score DROP

Yeah this is the first installment loan of any kind ever on my report, and 5 tradelines in total including the SSL. 

 

If I did indeed shift to a new scorecard, I'm probably being lumped together with people who have very thick files and a very established history. So having an AAoA of just 1 year along with a bunch of new tradelines certainly is going to get penalized very heavily. 

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Thomas_Thumb
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@arkane wrote:

Youngest account was 1 month (or is it 2 months going by how CRAs calculate age?). Actually make that 3 accounts since I opened 3 new revolvers in November. Should this even matter though? Don't remember seeing anyone complain in the mega thread their score went down, usually it's a boost of 20-30 points, but mine went the other way. Smiley Indifferent

 

What I don't understand is why the ding to my EQ score is so much greater than my TU score. I mean yes I have 3 inq on EQ vs only 1 on TU, but before the SSL there was only a 6 point spread. Everything seem to point towards me being rebucketed with EQ at least. There's just no other logical explanation. (unless installment accounts also count towards AZEO) Now I can't wait to find out how much of a ding EX will doll out ugh.


It appears you have opened 4 new accounts recently. The impact of new accounts may not be realized until after the account shows its reported use. It's likely your score is being hurt by the following:

1) Too many accounts recently opened. The SSL + a newly used revolver could have put you over a point deduct threshold.

2) Time since most recent account opening is too short. [this impacts some profiles - young/clean - much more than others]

3) Too many inquiries in the last 12 months/Date of last inquiry too recent

 

Based on your scorecard/ profile the above are temporarily keeping you from your hoped for boost in score - IMO. I think your score may increase 30 to 40 points in the next 90 days as risk of infant account mortality decreases. Let things stabilize.

 

Note: Inquiries is not a scorecard assignment criteria but QTY in the last 12 months is a scoring factor.

 

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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