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Anyone have this happen?? What does it mean

So I ch3cked my 3b report from 6 months ago and a green. Good factor was "low balances on installment loans" .....

But now my current 3b report, it has a red, bad factor "high balances on installment loans"

When the balances are decreased by 6 months of payments ......

How do u win against the credit people....never pay down my loans.....lol
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Anonymous
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Re: Anyone have this happen?? What does it mean

Have you paid off any loans in the last 7 months?

 

Have you obtained any new loans in the last 7 months?

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Anonymous
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No exact same loans......

Just paid down Balance....6 months worth
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SouthJamaica
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@Anonymous wrote:
So I ch3cked my 3b report from 6 months ago and a green. Good factor was "low balances on installment loans" .....

But now my current 3b report, it has a red, bad factor "high balances on installment loans"

When the balances are decreased by 6 months of payments ......

How do u win against the credit people....never pay down my loans.....lol

Sometimes negative error codes pop up only because more serious negative error codes are no longer applicable.


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Anonymous
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Re: Anyone have this happen?? What does it mean

That wouldn't explain it.....
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Anonymous
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When you received the green (good message) which of the three credit bureaus was it associated with?  TU, EQ, or EX?

 

When you received the red (bad message) which credit bureau was it associated with? 

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909
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Re: Anyone have this happen?? What does it mean

Yes. Sometimes positive and negative factors contradict each other in the same report so it's not surprising that you get contradictory messages in separate reports.
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Anonymous
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@Anonymous wrote:
That wouldn't explain it.....

It could. 

 

There are different thresholds to be crossed for installment loans.  Some believe 70% or 80% to be the first major one that could result in a reason code of "installment loans significantly paid down."  My mortgage and auto loan are paid down to a utilization of about 72% right now.  I've seen this reason code since my installment loan utilization was at about 75% maybe 6 months ago.  There are some months where I see this reason code on just 1 bureau and other months where it's on 2 bureaus. 

 

However, it's pretty clear that having 70%-80% utilization on your installment loans is still a significant balance [relative to where they began] so it wouldn't surprise me if that amount could also be considered a negative.  I think this would especially be true in the case of a mortgage where someone still has some 20+ years of paying that loan; 20 years of time represents a significant amount of risk over say a 5 year auto loan.

 

Look at it this way, say there's 3 break points for installment loans.  80%, 50% and 10%.  I don't know this to be the case, but am just throwing out numbers there for the sake of this discussion.  Once someone hits that 10% mark, they are achieving the maximum FICO points possible (around 30) for having that loan verses if there were no installment loans on their report.  We can deduce that 50% would be a portion less of those 30 points and that the 80% would be even a smaller portion of those 30 points.  So, say you're at 60% utilization.  This could be viewed as a positive relative to your original balance with respect to FICO scoring as your score will be better now than when you opened the loan.  However, it could be negative at the same time as until you reach that < 10% loan balance you aren't realizing the maximum scoring benefit from that installment loan.

 

Out of curiosity, what is your installment loan utilization now and what was it 6 months ago?

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Anonymous
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@909 wrote:
Yes. Sometimes positive and negative factors contradict each other in the same report so it's not surprising that you get contradictory messages in separate reports.

Agreed.  I've had this happen several times with several different factors both being positive and negative.

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Anonymous
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It was on all 3 bureaus......

And my utilization when it was green was 80%, and now it is 65%.......but the good indicator turnEd to all red on all 3......

Should be going the other way....
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