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borg_cube
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Available credit...good and bad???

Greetings,
 
My wife and I have a considerable amount of available credit on several cards and our total balances on all cards is less than 1.5% of that amount at present, never higher than perhaps 10%. We use both myFico and Truecredit to monitor scores. No surprise, the "here's how you can improve your scores" advice at Truecredit contains some double-speak. On one hand, it states that having large amounts of available credit is good, but having too much makes lenders consider you a higher risk.
 
Right now, all three of our Fako and Fico scores are very close to each other. We do have room to improve the scores given that we wish to re-fi one or possibly two homes we own and that we are both self-employed. We used stated income loans in the past and from our understanding these are more difficult to get nowadays given what has happened with that whole situation. We hope with very high scores the process of still being able to go stated will be possible on decent terms.
 
Not looking for mortgage advice, but rather some idea as to how much available credit is good and how much is too much before you score gets dinged.
 
Also, does the overall balance you owe on mortgages figure into the equation of scoring?
 
Thanks,
Borg_Cube
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Anonymous
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Re: Available credit...good and bad???

ignore any coaching and score true credit offers. sounds like you are doing fine, just keep the uti low and watch the scores rise.
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borg_cube
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Re: Available credit...good and bad???

Hi Imducky,
 
We have nothing bad whatsoever in our files, high limits, low usage, 17 and 19 year histories, etc., and yet we can't crack the truly high score levels. We're routinely between 735-765 all the time and it hasn't changed for years. Our mortgages are freakishly scary looking however and I'm wondering if that figures into the algorithms.
 
If 720 is the new 680, then I'm curious as to what the "new" 750 is going to be to qualify for the absolute best rates even with stated loans.
 
Thanks,
Borg_Cube
 
 
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well the myfico coaching dings could offer up some clues, what did they list as dings?
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borg_cube
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-imducky wrote:
 
"well the myfico coaching dings could offer up some clues, what did they list as dings?"
 
TU: Too many accounts with balances: 6.
 
(we've had zero accounts with balances and the scores didn't budge. I purposely charged small amounts on them to keep them active and fresh) We currently have a bit more than 150K available in revolving accounts and there is no home equity account there, just credit cards, and a total balance on all of them around 2K right now.)
 
EQ: New account: opened 1 year 3 months ago.
 
EX: Recently opened a new account. 1 year ago.
       Short credit history. (this one I really don't get. I have a Discover Card they show being opened    by me in 1991)
 
Why don't these reporting companies just tell you exactly what you need to do instead of keeping this information and formulas so secretive and confusing?
 
 
 

 
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borg_cube wrote:
-imducky wrote:
 
"well the myfico coaching dings could offer up some clues, what did they list as dings?"
 
TU: Too many accounts with balances: 6.
 
tu likes to see less than half of ALL your accounts report a balance. usually this ding is 0-15 points.
 
(we've had zero accounts with balances and the scores didn't budge. I purposely charged small amounts on them to keep them active and fresh) We currently have a bit more than 150K available in revolving accounts and there is no home equity account there, just credit cards, and a total balance on all of them around 2K right now.)
 
EQ: New account: opened 1 year 3 months ago.
 
at 2 years it's not considered new, so time is you only friend
 
EX: Recently opened a new account. 1 year ago.
 
same thing, age.
 
       Short credit history. (this one I really don't get. I have a Discover Card they show being opened    by me in 1991)
 
this could be a "bucket" issue. search the term bucket/buckets or re-bucketing
 
Why don't these reporting companies just tell you exactly what you need to do instead of keeping this information and formulas so secretive and confusing?
 
where's the fun in that?
 
 

 



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borg_cube
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Re: Available credit...good and bad???

imducky...thanks for all of that!
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borg_cube
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imducky-
 
Just checked out buckets/bucketing...
 
You gotta be *!$%)& me!!!  That's just wrong. Your scores should be based on what YOU do, and not some idiotic classroom curve.
 
I must be in with Mr. and Mrs. Perfect and their other friends who walk on water and have had credit histories since Eisenhower was President.
 
I give up. I'm wasting my money tracking this stuff anymore. I suppose I should just check from time to time to make sure inaccuracies and fraud are absent.
 
Thanks again. I think. Smiley Happy
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Anonymous
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well word is you recover and advance quickly, but it is a hit in the privates.
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borg_cube
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Even if I pay off all balances by the next reporting cycle and hopped in a time machine one year ahead I don't see how our scores would improve that greatly. And yet, I know people with very high scores near or above 800 and they're not even 30 years old. What, did they get a credit card when they were 10?
 
Something isn't adding up here. I'm wondering if the FAKO hints from Truecredit might actually have more value (if one can decipher the coded double-speak) than what I'm seeing here at myFico.
 
For example, the hints to improve my score for Experian at Truecredit says something to the effect that I have too much available credit and then it says in the next hint that I don't have enough revolving credit accounts. I forget which agency, but another hint states that I do not have a healthy mix of accounts. Sure...150K+ in unsecured credit cards from six banks, an auto loan I've had for almost three years paid down from 40K to 6K, $1000 per month like clockwork, and two mortgages totaling 1.1 million dollars. Yeah, I don't have a healthy mix of credit.
 
This is why I'm really wondering if the amounts of these mortgages are having an impact, or the large amount of available credit. With an almost 20 year credit history with no baddies as they're called here, our scores should be higher.
 
The entire credit reporting industry needs to be held accountable and made transparent. It's nothing but a shakedown right now. Standards for loans need to be re-introduced as they were prior to these models. But then, that would be too much work for the poor loan officers wouldn't it?
 
If anything, the financial crisis we're now in is partly a result of the industry wide acceptance and adherence and almost cult-like devotion to these scoring models instead of actually determining the risks of lending to individuals or businesses on a case by case basis.
 
That's why I miss the "old" Vegas for example. You would sit down and lose your shirt and the pit boss would come up and a comp you dinner, a show, your room, etc., all with the stroke of a pen. He was actually in charge and doing his job managing the tables and patrons. Now you have to put your little stupid card into a machine that calculates whatever it's calculating so you can get a 20% discount at the buffet. Today's pit boss? Busy coordinating the dealers' 15 minute breaks and putting those stupid little cards into the readers.
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