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This whole idea of rebucketing scares the holy hell out of me.
I've just spent the last two weeks getting my utilization sorted out and settling some collections to get my scores to a place where I can qualify for a mortgage. I've done that now and things are moving along.
I have a BK 7 from almost 10 years ago that will fall off on its own in the next couple of months, but EQ told me they could take it off Aug 1 if i want them to. I assume TU might take it off now, and EXP is not reporting it, so it must have fallen off already. My lender is trying to push my scores a little higher to qualify for downpayment assistance and he wants to see if his credit people can exclude my BK. I told him NO, that I was terrified I'd get a drop that would knock me out of contention for a mortgage altogether, but he said he couldn't see any reason why that would be true.
I understand that there's a bucket for public records like BK and that I'm likely in it until it falls off. But there's also a bucket for major bads, right? So since I have a few remaining collection accounts I can't do anything about right now and some older charge offs, is that the bucket I'll likely go to next? What, if anything, is likely to happen to my scores? If there's any chance of a jump, I could really use the down payment assistance, but if its likely to fall, I'm screwed.
I was going to try to have it removed from EXP since thats my lowest score and not relevant to my qualifying, and I thought I could use it to "test the waters", but EXP isn't showing the BK. Anybody have any educated guesses as to what I should expect if this happens?
Not really as there isn't a lot of data I've ever seen regarding multiple negatives of different types, but the collections will keep you in the dirty buckets anyway and even a recent poster had a tax lien come off which moved his FICO 8's 3 points. Don't worry about it, take the BK exclusion and run. especially when we're talking mortgage trifecta that seem to count old derogs more harshly.
Unless you have virtually no credit history which sounds a little suspect from your description, getting a negative removed is typically neutral or positive; neutral when there's other derogs on the report, and positive (usually by a large amount) if it's your last.
Looking at it rationally, if you need downpayment assistance to get the mortgage you've nothing to lose anyway.
What are your mortgage scores? Might be able to give you a little better answer on how things'll look if you want to share some of your report data... for reference I have a 30/60 late, a paid collection, and a paid tax lien from late 2010 and managed to break 720 for a mortgage mid-score.
After fixing my horrendous utilization and settling a couple of old collections, here's what i was able to accomplish:
July 6, 2015 July 18, 2015
EXP 528 618
EQ 556 624
TU 573 645
At 620, I can get a loan with 1/2% down and a small second on the rest, which is what I assume I'm going to need. At 640 I qualify for Home in Five which is a downpayment grant I don't have to pay back. So I actually DO have something to lose if my EQ drops below 620.
here's what about $4,000 in paid off credit cards and a handful collections has netted me:
July 6, 2015 July 18, 2015
EXP 528 618
EQ 556 624
TU 573 645
I'm approved for the 1/2% down program which only requires a middle score of 620, but if I can get to 640, I qualify for the Home in Five grant which doesn't require repayment. It's worth trying for, but I definitely DO have something to lose of my EQ score drops below 620. I'm out of the homebuying business altogether.
Current scores are:
EXP 618
EQ 624
TU 645
I'm pre-qualified for the 1/2% down program which requires a middle score of 620. If I hit 640, I qualify for the Home in Five grant which doens't require repayment, so it's worth trying for but I definitely DO have something to lose if my EQ score drops below 620.
I definitely still have some negatives including 4 Cap One accounts that were charged off in 2012 and sold to Portfolio in Oct 2014, so they appear new.
@kgwinn wrote:Current scores are:
EXP 618
EQ 624
TU 645
I'm pre-qualified for the 1/2% down program which requires a middle score of 620. If I hit 640, I qualify for the Home in Five grant which doens't require repayment, so it's worth trying for but I definitely DO have something to lose if my EQ score drops below 620.
I definitely still have some negatives including 4 Cap One accounts that were charged off in 2012 and sold to Portfolio in Oct 2014, so they appear new.
Just like everybody else here, I can't tell you what you should do, but when my own BK7 finally dropped off, my scores all increased a bit, buckets aside.
If it were me, I would need to trust the person who was helping me make what's likely the largest purchase you'll ever make. If you don't/can't trust your mortgage person enough to take his/her advice on helping increase your score, possibly you should look for someone else who you can trust.
Also, as a side-note, your mortgage person doesn't get paid unless your loan closes, so they have an interest in leading you the right way. It wouldn't be in his/her self-interest to take an unreasonable chance with your approval.
I agree thats how it should be, but my experience over the last few weeks is that lenders don't always know as much as they think they do. I'm on my fourth mortgage broker because the first one couldn't interpret FHA guidelines correctly and refused to accept a letter from my student loan company that every other lender and the representative I talked to at HUD are all fine with.
The second one refused to believe me when I told him that the dispute comments he was seeing on some of my accounts were old and leftover and that no accounts were currently in dispute. Everytime I told him I was simply going to call and have the comments removed, he would flip out and tell me my scores were going to drop by 40 points. He called me argumentative and when I told him what I'd learned here, he told me to "stop reading stupid blogs". When I had the comments removed without any score drop and pointed out to him that I was right he swore at me and told me he couldn't work with me anymore.
Lender number 3 has works for a company that has put both the loan programs I'm looking at on hold but assures me its completely fine to go ahead and get under contract with this house because "they'll be back available within 2 weeks". Other lenders I've spoken to are telling me that they're hearing that the 1/2% down program is dead in AZ, but this guy keeps telling me everyone else is wrong and he'll have it back by August 5th.
So trust? No, not really. I met lender number 4 yesterday and so far he seem great. He hooked me up via conference call with the guy from their credit agency (the people they pull credit through) and let me ask a ton of questions. That guy is as close to a credit expert as I'll get, and he swears there will be no negative impact from removing the BK, but also says that it probably won't help me much either. For what i's worth, he also said that the concept is rebucketing is internet folklore, so there's that.
We're waiting for my reports to be updated by lender #3's rescore and once they do, lender #4 will pull credit and see if he can find me the last 16 points. If the 1/2% down program is truly gone, it's 640 or bust.
@UncleB wrote:
@kgwinn wrote:Current scores are:
EXP 618
EQ 624
TU 645
I'm pre-qualified for the 1/2% down program which requires a middle score of 620. If I hit 640, I qualify for the Home in Five grant which doens't require repayment, so it's worth trying for but I definitely DO have something to lose if my EQ score drops below 620.
I definitely still have some negatives including 4 Cap One accounts that were charged off in 2012 and sold to Portfolio in Oct 2014, so they appear new.
Just like everybody else here, I can't tell you what you should do, but when my own BK7 finally dropped off, my scores all increased a bit, buckets aside.
If it were me, I would need to trust the person who was helping me make what's likely the largest purchase you'll ever make. If you don't/can't trust your mortgage person enough to take his/her advice on helping increase your score, possibly you should look for someone else who you can trust.
Also, as a side-note, your mortgage person doesn't get paid unless your loan closes, so they have an interest in leading you the right way. It wouldn't be in his/her self-interest to take an unreasonable chance with your approval.
Other than the LO's who frequent this and a few other places, I wouldn't trust any of them with optimizing my own file; the ones I've talked to have had some awfully goofy ideas... one recently told me I should have an open auto loan as an example, um no, my itty bitty secured loans do just fine for FICO thank you!
@kgwinn: BK's are arguably the worst derog you can have on your file; if it were me I'd remove it but if you're ragged edge tier and worried, then hold pat and get qualified. Have you prettied up the rest of the file already?
I've prettied it up as much as I can. I got all the early exclusions I could, but there's a round of charge offs from 2012 I can't do anything with. Nobody will adree to PFD. 4 of them were sold to Portfolio last fall and now look like new collections, so that hurts.
@Revelate wrote:
@UncleB wrote:
@kgwinn wrote:Current scores are:
EXP 618
EQ 624
TU 645
I'm pre-qualified for the 1/2% down program which requires a middle score of 620. If I hit 640, I qualify for the Home in Five grant which doens't require repayment, so it's worth trying for but I definitely DO have something to lose if my EQ score drops below 620.
I definitely still have some negatives including 4 Cap One accounts that were charged off in 2012 and sold to Portfolio in Oct 2014, so they appear new.
Just like everybody else here, I can't tell you what you should do, but when my own BK7 finally dropped off, my scores all increased a bit, buckets aside.
If it were me, I would need to trust the person who was helping me make what's likely the largest purchase you'll ever make. If you don't/can't trust your mortgage person enough to take his/her advice on helping increase your score, possibly you should look for someone else who you can trust.
Also, as a side-note, your mortgage person doesn't get paid unless your loan closes, so they have an interest in leading you the right way. It wouldn't be in his/her self-interest to take an unreasonable chance with your approval.
Other than the LO's who frequent this and a few other places, I wouldn't trust any of them with optimizing my own file; the ones I've talked to have had some awfully goofy ideas... one recently told me I should have an open auto loan as an example, um no, my itty bitty secured loans do just fine for FICO thank you!
@kgwinn: BK's are arguably the worst derog you can have on your file; if it were me I'd remove it but if you're ragged edge tier and worried, then hold pat and get qualified. Have you prettied up the rest of the file already?
I agree not all of them are worth their salt, just like there are doctors I would never let treat me even though they have "M.D." after their name. Same for lawyers, heck, even moreso for lawyers... YMMV is an understatement.
This is why it's important to vet your mortgage person well; for me, I asked my friends who had recently closed on a house who they used, and narrowed the field from there. Also from my time in real estate years ago, I can personally say that not all lenders are suited for all clients. Some lenders might get a better deal for a 800+ FICO than somebody else down the street, but they would stumble with a client who had experienced credit difficulties. Other lenders would be a good fit for the 'less than perfect' client, yet their offerings for someone who was a 'slam-dunk' were slightly sub-par. The only way to know this, of course, it to either ask around, or compare yourself, which it seems the OP is doing.
While there are some 'loonies' out there, I still say this is the most important purchase you'll make for years to come, possibly for life. You owe it to yourself to be comfortable with the person that will be responsible for seeing the process through.