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Boggled!! Need some answers.

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Boggled!! Need some answers.

These are 2 seperate accounts  but have bad things i would like to clean up.
 
Account #1
Transunion- Last Active Nov 2006/ Lates-0
Equifax- Last Active Jan 2005/ Lates-18
Experian- last Active Jan 2007/ Lates-33
 
 
Account #2
 
Transunion-Last Active Dec 2005/Lates -0
Equifax-Last Active-Jan 2002/Lates-7x
Experian- Last Active-Nov 2006/lates-17x
 
My scores are Exp 702, Equifax 682, Transunion 688.........There is so much deviation how do i even dispute this, how can there be so much difference, i don't even no where to start, or is it better to just leave it alone in fear of re-aging the account. I find weird stuff like this all over  some accounts, i don't understand and would like some opinions, i do know if i could get some of those lates deleted i would see a major score increase.
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Anonymous
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Re: Boggled!! Need some answers.

I say leave them alone unless you have proof that they are reporting inaccurate-
 
If there are missing lates - I can assure you they will be added to the CRA's with the missing lates.
 
INO- FICO only "rates" the most sever and most recent derog on each tradeline.  So if you were to get all but 1 late removed from each TL- the score would not change- it would look better in a manual review though.

Raider wrote:
These are 2 seperate accounts  but have bad things i would like to clean up.
 
Account #1
Transunion- Last Active Nov 2006/ Lates-0
Equifax- Last Active Jan 2005/ Lates-18
Experian- last Active Jan 2007/ Lates-33
 
 
Account #2
 
Transunion-Last Active Dec 2005/Lates -0
Equifax-Last Active-Jan 2002/Lates-7x
Experian- Last Active-Nov 2006/lates-17x
 
My scores are Exp 702, Equifax 682, Transunion 688.........There is so much deviation how do i even dispute this, how can there be so much difference, i don't even no where to start, or is it better to just leave it alone in fear of re-aging the account. I find weird stuff like this all over  some accounts, i don't understand and would like some opinions, i do know if i could get some of those lates deleted i would see a major score increase.



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marty56
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Re: Boggled!! Need some answers.



Timothy wrote:
 
INO- FICO only "rates" the most sever and most recent derog on each tradeline.  So if you were to get all but 1 late removed from each TL- the score would not change- it would look better in a manual review though.

 
I have the following derog information on my CR from bank America
 
30 days late 1 time (Nov 2004)
60 days late 2 times (Jan 2005, Dec 2004)
90+ days late 7 times (Aug 2005, Jul 2005, Jun 2005, May 2005, Apr 2005, Mar 2005, Feb 2005
and the TL says my account was 120 days late.
 
Do you mean that all this has the same affect on my FICO score as a single 120 day late on this account?

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Anonymous
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Re: Boggled!! Need some answers.

IMO- Yes-  A 120 on XX date-
the 90's, 60's and 30'd mean nothng prior to this date-
 
I Even believe that FICO uses the most recent late and the worst derog-
 
So Lets say you were 120 late 2 years ago and then now you were late a single 30? How do you think Fico would handle it?
IMO- It would take that 120 and the recent DATE-
 
"Get current and STAY current"
 
If this was not the case - someone would be telling poeple to have a 30 after a serious derog- and i have NEVER heard this.  
 

 

marty56 wrote:


Timothy wrote:
 
INO- FICO only "rates" the most sever and most recent derog on each tradeline.  So if you were to get all but 1 late removed from each TL- the score would not change- it would look better in a manual review though.

 
I have the following derog information on my CR from bank America
 
30 days late 1 time (Nov 2004)
60 days late 2 times (Jan 2005, Dec 2004)
90+ days late 7 times (Aug 2005, Jul 2005, Jun 2005, May 2005, Apr 2005, Mar 2005, Feb 2005
and the TL says my account was 120 days late.
 
Do you mean that all this has the same affect on my FICO score as a single 120 day late on this account?






Message Edited by Timothy on 03-21-2008 06:57 PM
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BallBounces
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Re: Boggled!! Need some answers.



Timothy wrote:
 
INO- FICO only "rates" the most sever and most recent derog on each tradeline.  So if you were to get all but 1 late removed from each TL- the score would not change- it would look better in a manual review though.

I say this with no better information or any way to dispute it, but ....  this can not possibly  be true!  Smiley Very Happy   I really wish I had a way to test this on my own file, because it really defies logic to me.  (Maybe this is a new  GW tactic on my sole TL that has 2 lates on it  Smiley Tongue )
 
Since your score, by FiCOs admission, is largely "payment history", I can not possibly see that they would essentially count someone with a 3 month old 30 day late as the only blemish on their report the same as an indiviual with, for example, 7 30 day lates in the last year, the most recent of which was 3 months old.
 

Timothy wrote:

If this was not the case - someone would be telling poeple to have a 30 after a serious derog- and i have NEVER heard this.  


 
This seems to contradict your earlier assertion, and supports my point that they MUST count multipl derogs as "cumulative".  In other words, it can never benefit you to add another late to a TL, under any circumstance, so it must accumulate negative points that rebuild with time.


Message Edited by VistaV on 03-21-2008 07:27 PM
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Anonymous
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Re: Boggled!! Need some answers.

On the same TL-
The Guy with the more recent 30 is going to get hit harder as his is MORE RECENT!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
A better way to make this more "Apples and Apples"
Example-
I was 30 days Late in Aug and Nov of 2006
 
FICO says 30 (how severe) 11/06 (how recent)  
If I had another account or someone in the same bucket as me was ONLY 30 days late in Nov 06- the score reduction would be the same-   
 
If 30 late In Oct and the 60 in Nov 06  - FICO says 60 , Nov 06
and ignores the 30-   removing the 30 would do ZERO to the score-
 
"Since your score, by FiCOs admission, is largely "payment history", I can not possibly see that they would essentially count someone with a 3 month old 30 day late as the only blemish on their report the same as an indiviual with, for example, 7 30 day lates in the last year, the most recent of which was 3 months old"

VistaV wrote:


Timothy wrote:
 
INO- FICO only "rates" the most sever and most recent derog on each tradeline.  So if you were to get all but 1 late removed from each TL- the score would not change- it would look better in a manual review though.

I say this with no better information or any way to dispute it, but ....  this can not possibly  be true!  Smiley Very Happy   I really wish I had a way to test this on my own file, because it really defies logic to me.  (Maybe this is a new  GW tactic on my sole TL that has 2 lates on it  Smiley Tongue )
 
Since your score, by FiCOs admission, is largely "payment history", I can not possibly see that they would essentially count someone with a 3 month old 30 day late as the only blemish on their report the same as an indiviual with, for example, 7 30 day lates in the last year, the most recent of which was 3 months old.
 

Timothy wrote:

If this was not the case - someone would be telling poeple to have a 30 after a serious derog- and i have NEVER heard this.  


 
This seems to contradict your earlier assertion, and supports my point that they MUST count multipl derogs as "cumulative".  In other words, it can never benefit you to add another late to a TL, under any circumstance, so it must accumulate negative points that rebuild with time.


Message Edited by VistaV on 03-21-2008 07:27 PM


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haulingthescoreup
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Re: Boggled!! Need some answers.

I have a 30-60-90, with the 90 in Feb 06. I then had one more 30 on the same account in June 06. All three FICO score reports look like this:

Balance [?] - Current Status [?] - Past Due Amount [?]
$45 - Current account/was delinquent 90 days past due date - Not Reported
Seven year payment history [?]
30 days late 4 times (Jun 2006, Dec 2005)
60 days late 1 time (Jan 2006)
90+ days late 1 time (Feb 2006)
Worst Delinquency [?]
90 days delinquent

On all three reports, the first negative factor listed on screen 2 is serious derog (the 90.)

I'm very, very skeptical that the more recent June 06 30 trumps the Feb 06 90. Granted, these aren't all that recent.

Now, I will agree that if I had another brand new thirty, God forbid, on this account or another, it would be worse for my scores than the 15-month-old 90.
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