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Can a hard pull drop your score?

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Kriz1
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Can a hard pull drop your score?

When I reply to the mail letter, got approved and when I looked at my Fico score dropped. And my Eq its low as well. Is this usual with Cp1?
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Aahz
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Re: Can a hard pull drop your score?

Capital One has nothing to do with your scores.  If your score dropped because of a hard pull (which is certainly possible) then it would have dropped with a hard pull from any lender, not just CapOne.

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azguy13
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Re: Can a hard pull drop your score?

HPs will drop your score temporarily. They stay on your report for two years but are only factored into your score for a year. You will see your score start to rebound in a couple of months. However, your score may also drop, depending on how thick your file is, when your new account is reported. It will lower your AAoA which is a factor in scoring. 

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Kriz1
Valued Member

Re: Can a hard pull drop your score?

I haven't applied to anything other then that CP1. But will see what happens. Thanks a lot guys.
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Anonymous
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Re: Can a hard pull drop your score?


@azguy13 wrote:

HPs will drop your score temporarily. They stay on your report for two years but are only factored into your score for a year. You will see your score start to rebound in a couple of months. However, your score may also drop, depending on how thick your file is, when your new account is reported. It will lower your AAoA which is a factor in scoring. 


Hello Azguy!  Very clear, helpful reply.

 

The only thing I might question is the thing I highlighted above.  That would give the OP the impression that FICO begins to weaken the "hit" that a person takes from an inquiry after a few months.  E.g. if FICO imposes a 4 point penalty initially on the score, it reduces that to a 2 or 3 point penalty after X number of months.  That possibility has been discussed a number of times on the forum before, with the favorite being X = 6, but I think the consensus of the veterans is that there is no evidence for the idea that the penalty becomes (gradually) less severe over time.  Rather, if a particular inquiry is going to affect you, it happens by the next day, and whatever damage it does is constant for the full 365 day period, after which the damage vanishes completely.

 

When a score appears to begin to rebound, that can be the result of a number of things.  The simplest is age.  During those few months the person's accounts were getting older.  They would have been getting older at the same rate iif the inquiry hadn't happened, and therefore the person would have seen the same score increase (if one occurs). 

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RobertEG
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Re: Can a hard pull drop your score?

A hard pull accompanied by approval of a new account will result, once the account reports, have a combined scorng impact of both the inquiry and the reduction in your average age of accounts.

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Anonymous
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Re: Can a hard pull drop your score?


@RobertEG wrote:

A hard pull accompanied by approval of a new account will result, once the account reports, have a combined scorng impact of both the inquiry and the reduction in your average age of accounts.


I agree with you RobertEG - that has been my experience thus far.

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Anonymous
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Re: Can a hard pull drop your score?

One thing I have noticed on this forum is the obsession over HP's but a complete and utter lack of concern about AAoA. Not picking on anyone I particular...just an observation. Well both are important the effect of a HP is short lived but the drop in AAoA is life long.
No short cuts... a good credit profile takes time.
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BallBounces
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Re: Can a hard pull drop your score?


@RobertEG wrote:

A hard pull accompanied by approval of a new account will result, once the account reports, have a combined scorng impact of both the inquiry and the reduction in your average age of accounts.


... Plus, on the positive side, an increase in available credit and the potential associated improved utilization factors.

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Anonymous
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Re: Can a hard pull drop your score?

All good points.  Thanks all.

 

No question that, if someone is approved and a new account is added, then there are number of additional scoring factors that are affected besides just the inquiry alone.

 

The subject line of the original post (and also AZguy's reply) focused solely on the effect of a HP.  So my own post was following that -- how a HP taken by itself affects score.  I agree wholeheartedly, however, that other factors come into play if a new account is also added. 

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