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reneasworld
Regular Contributor

Collection vs Utilization

So, I have one negative medical collection that is showing on my account. It shows it date of first delinquency in 2010 and date first reported by agency as Feb 2011. I had insurance and for some reason it was never paid and the hospital had the incorrect address. When it showed up, of course it had exceedd time limit of payment. I just was mad and did not pay because I was furious that a hospital clerical error (they wrote down the wrong address by composing numbers) meant I had to pay a bill that should have been covered. The collect is for 550. I was goingto let it drop off in two but I am wondering about the impact on my score. I know medical collections are not suppose to weigh as heavy anymore and this is the only collection on my report and the only negative on all my reports. I have a 100% on time reporting with the exception of one report and the one late is from over 10 years ago but I do not want the account deleted because it helps with my AAoA.  This brings me to my question. I have been working more on bringing my UTI down on my credit cards. I am at 45% overall UTI but should I go ahead and just pay the collection account. Would this give me a large amount of points? I also wanted to refinance my car and was wondering if this was a factor for APR?

 

Current FICO scores: EQ 630 EXP: 659 TU: 640

 

I expect them to go up in a couple of weeks when some new balances report and a closed CC which previously had a balance is now pif. 

Starting Scores (5/2014): EQ 569, TU 601, EX 589
Current Scores (07/08/2015): EQ 640, TU 640, EX 654
Goal (12/2015): 700 across the board
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JagerBombs89
Established Contributor

Re: Collection vs Utilization

Medical collection under $100 are no longer counted by FICO8.  Also, you should not have any lates on your report that are over 10 years old...

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Anonymous
Not applicable

Re: Collection vs Utilization

Correct, the negative mark should be no older than 7 years. Well, you are in quite the conundrum......decisions decisions!
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NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: Collection vs Utilization


@reneasworld wrote:

So, I have one negative medical collection that is showing on my account. It shows it date of first delinquency in 2010 and date first reported by agency as Feb 2011. I had insurance and for some reason it was never paid and the hospital had the incorrect address. When it showed up, of course it had exceedd time limit of payment. I just was mad and did not pay because I was furious that a hospital clerical error (they wrote down the wrong address by composing numbers) meant I had to pay a bill that should have been covered. The collect is for 550. I was goingto let it drop off in two but I am wondering about the impact on my score. I know medical collections are not suppose to weigh as heavy anymore and this is the only collection on my report and the only negative on all my reports. I have a 100% on time reporting with the exception of one report and the one late is from over 10 years ago but I do not want the account deleted because it helps with my AAoA.  This brings me to my question. I have been working more on bringing my UTI down on my credit cards. I am at 45% overall UTI but should I go ahead and just pay the collection account. Would this give me a large amount of points? I also wanted to refinance my car and was wondering if this was a factor for APR?

 

Current FICO scores: EQ 630 EXP: 659 TU: 640

 

I expect them to go up in a couple of weeks when some new balances report and a closed CC which previously had a balance is now pif. 


Have the account deleted. AAoA gets too much credit here. It simply is not worth much in FICO scoring. Once you reach a few years, it no longer matters. Cut away that account like the cancer that it is. Your FICO score will get a boost from that, much more than any fantasy AAoA impact.

 

The medical collection is $550 which seems to be more than $100, so is thus likely impacting your score as well. Given the age of these two baddies, and your score still in the mid-600's it seems to me you want to take action to get the medical collection corrected as well. Was the amount paid? Pay for deletion? Maybe a dispute letter is in order if it was paid by the insurance. Check with others who have gone through this but you want that incorrect collection off your reports.

 

Then you can look at utilization as the next phase of your score rebuild.

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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reneasworld
Regular Contributor

Re: Collection vs Utilization


@NRB525 wrote:

@reneasworld wrote:

So, I have one negative medical collection that is showing on my account. It shows it date of first delinquency in 2010 and date first reported by agency as Feb 2011. I had insurance and for some reason it was never paid and the hospital had the incorrect address. When it showed up, of course it had exceedd time limit of payment. I just was mad and did not pay because I was furious that a hospital clerical error (they wrote down the wrong address by composing numbers) meant I had to pay a bill that should have been covered. The collect is for 550. I was goingto let it drop off in two but I am wondering about the impact on my score. I know medical collections are not suppose to weigh as heavy anymore and this is the only collection on my report and the only negative on all my reports. I have a 100% on time reporting with the exception of one report and the one late is from over 10 years ago but I do not want the account deleted because it helps with my AAoA.  This brings me to my question. I have been working more on bringing my UTI down on my credit cards. I am at 45% overall UTI but should I go ahead and just pay the collection account. Would this give me a large amount of points? I also wanted to refinance my car and was wondering if this was a factor for APR?

 

Current FICO scores: EQ 630 EXP: 659 TU: 640

 

I expect them to go up in a couple of weeks when some new balances report and a closed CC which previously had a balance is now pif. 


Have the account deleted. AAoA gets too much credit here. It simply is not worth much in FICO scoring. Once you reach a few years, it no longer matters. Cut away that account like the cancer that it is. Your FICO score will get a boost from that, much more than any fantasy AAoA impact.

 

The medical collection is $550 which seems to be more than $100, so is thus likely impacting your score as well. Given the age of these two baddies, and your score still in the mid-600's it seems to me you want to take action to get the medical collection corrected as well. Was the amount paid? Pay for deletion? Maybe a dispute letter is in order if it was paid by the insurance. Check with others who have gone through this but you want that incorrect collection off your reports.

 

Then you can look at utilization as the next phase of your score rebuild.

Thanks! I think that is what I am going to do now. I will just have to buck it and pay for deletion. I will keep you guys updated.

 

Starting Scores (5/2014): EQ 569, TU 601, EX 589
Current Scores (07/08/2015): EQ 640, TU 640, EX 654
Goal (12/2015): 700 across the board
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reneasworld
Regular Contributor

Re: Collection vs Utilization


@NRB525 wrote:

@reneasworld wrote:

So, I have one negative medical collection that is showing on my account. It shows it date of first delinquency in 2010 and date first reported by agency as Feb 2011. I had insurance and for some reason it was never paid and the hospital had the incorrect address. When it showed up, of course it had exceedd time limit of payment. I just was mad and did not pay because I was furious that a hospital clerical error (they wrote down the wrong address by composing numbers) meant I had to pay a bill that should have been covered. The collect is for 550. I was goingto let it drop off in two but I am wondering about the impact on my score. I know medical collections are not suppose to weigh as heavy anymore and this is the only collection on my report and the only negative on all my reports. I have a 100% on time reporting with the exception of one report and the one late is from over 10 years ago but I do not want the account deleted because it helps with my AAoA.  This brings me to my question. I have been working more on bringing my UTI down on my credit cards. I am at 45% overall UTI but should I go ahead and just pay the collection account. Would this give me a large amount of points? I also wanted to refinance my car and was wondering if this was a factor for APR?

 

Current FICO scores: EQ 630 EXP: 659 TU: 640

 

I expect them to go up in a couple of weeks when some new balances report and a closed CC which previously had a balance is now pif. 


Have the account deleted. AAoA gets too much credit here. It simply is not worth much in FICO scoring. Once you reach a few years, it no longer matters. Cut away that account like the cancer that it is. Your FICO score will get a boost from that, much more than any fantasy AAoA impact.

 

The medical collection is $550 which seems to be more than $100, so is thus likely impacting your score as well. Given the age of these two baddies, and your score still in the mid-600's it seems to me you want to take action to get the medical collection corrected as well. Was the amount paid? Pay for deletion? Maybe a dispute letter is in order if it was paid by the insurance. Check with others who have gone through this but you want that incorrect collection off your reports.

 

Then you can look at utilization as the next phase of your score rebuild.


Regarding the AAoA, I know it warrants some look at but I have noticed those who have AAoA less than two years and they have numbers in the 700. I think that there is some  combination of AA0A with actual length of credit history meaning your AAoA may be shorter because of recent history in multiples that have pulled it down but your credit history is still long. I don't know just like everyone else, I am trying to figure out that sweet spot. lol

Starting Scores (5/2014): EQ 569, TU 601, EX 589
Current Scores (07/08/2015): EQ 640, TU 640, EX 654
Goal (12/2015): 700 across the board
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NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: Collection vs Utilization

To put it simply:

You have an account with a certain age. That account has a negative as part of the experience of that account. The negative outweighs, by a long shot, any positive from that account history. It is a negative account.

 

Get rid of the account, and the negative goes away. When all your negatives are taken care of, are off your reports, scores rise. It's best to deal with each negative in the most efficient way to get rid of that negative.

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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Anonymous
Not applicable

Re: Collection vs Utilization

It sounds like the medical collection might be appearing on the OP's credit report only as a collection.  (By contrast, a charged off credit card might appear twice: once as a charge off from Citibank and once as a collection from GiveUsUrMoney, Inc.)

 

OP, is that the case?

 

If so, then the collection was not affecting the OP's AAoA anyway.  (I believe this is the case.  People more experienced with collections can comment.)

 

But even if the collection was affecting his age, NRB525 is absolutely right that it was harming his score as a negative far more than it was helping it in terms of age.

 

It sounds like the OP was considering allowing the account to drop off in 2 years and thus save himself $550.  He should do the math and decide if that is worth it to him.  Otherwise he should PFD.

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reneasworld
Regular Contributor

Re: Collection vs Utilization


@Anonymous wrote:

It sounds like the medical collection might be appearing on the OP's credit report only as a collection.  (By contrast, a charged off credit card might appear twice: once as a charge off from Citibank and once as a collection from GiveUsUrMoney, Inc.)

 

OP, is that the case?

 

If so, then the collection was not affecting the OP's AAoA anyway.  (I believe this is the case.  People more experienced with collections can comment.)

 

But even if the collection was affecting his age, NRB525 is absolutely right that it was harming his score as a negative far more than it was helping it in terms of age.

 

It sounds like the OP was considering allowing the account to drop off in 2 years and thus save himself $550.  He should do the math and decide if that is worth it to him.  Otherwise he should PFD.


You are exactly right. It only shows up as a collection and I was going to wait for it to drop off it two years. I was trying to see how large of the impact it was because it is the only collection on my report. Yes, I am going to try to pay for a delete.

 

Thanks

Starting Scores (5/2014): EQ 569, TU 601, EX 589
Current Scores (07/08/2015): EQ 640, TU 640, EX 654
Goal (12/2015): 700 across the board
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takeshi74
Senior Contributor

Re: Collection vs Utilization


@reneasworld wrote:

I am at 45% overall UTI but should I go ahead and just pay the collection account. Would this give me a large amount of points?


Nowhere near as much as getting it removed.

 

+1 to the above comments about the collection far outweighing AAoA if AAoA is even relevant to begin with.  Keep this in mind:

http://www.myfico.com/crediteducation/whatsinyourscore.aspx

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