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Credit cards vs student loans

I have 3 credit cards. But I also have 5 open account for student loans that are due monthly sept 22nd. Will my credit score dropped once I being repaying them monthly? Also when FICO looks for the Utilization ratio is it only included for the 3 credit cards or is the 5 student loans included too? If they are included how does leaving a balance on one card matter if I have 5 other balances in loans?
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Anonymous
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Re: Credit cards vs student loans

My comments below in blue.

 


@Anonymous wrote:
I have 3 credit cards. But I also have 5 open account for student loans that are due monthly sept 22nd. Will my credit score dropped once I being repaying them monthly?

No.

Also when FICO looks for the Utilization ratio is it only included for the 3 credit cards or is the 5 student loans included too?

There are two utilization percentages, one for revolving accounts and another for installment accounts.  There is no factor that considered both CCs and loans together.

If they are included how does leaving a balance on one card matter if I have 5 other balances in loans?

 

You will experience a scoring penalty if all cards report $0.


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Anonymous
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@CreditGuyInDexie
But why is there also a penalty for having 2 balances on one card and $0 on the other?
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Anonymous
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@Anonymous wrote:
@CreditGuyInDexie
But why is there also a penalty for having 2 balances on one card and $0 on the other?

I don't know what it means to have two balances on one card.

 

When people here say that an account "has a balance" it means that they owe more than zero dollars on it.  I have never heard someone describe a card having two balances.

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Anonymous
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@CreditHuyInDixid
Sorry I meant to say to have two cards with balances on them and the third card with a $0 balance. They say that’s not good either.
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Brian_Earl_Spilner
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Utilization factors for overall and individual cards and percentage of cards carrying a balance. In this case, 66.6% of your cards are carrying a balance.

    
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Brian_Earl_Spilner
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Also, your score will go up when your installment loans get to about 70% paid off.

    
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Thomas_Thumb
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@Anonymous wrote:
@CreditHuyInDixid
Sorry I meant to say to have two cards with balances on them and the third card with a $0 balance. They say that’s not good either.

Two cards out of three with small balances might be costing you 5 points on Fico 8. That may not be optimal but, I would hesitate to say it's bad. Drop might be bigger on the older Fico mortgage models but, not more than 10 points. Key point is to maintain revolving utilization at a low level - under 9%.

 

You do want to allow at least one card to report a balance to avoid the typical 15 to 20 point penalty associated with "no recent revolving activity". Installment loans are not revolving accounts. Profiles with three or more cards, should avoid having 100% of cards report a balance.

 

Given the OP has 5 student loans, going from 1 to 2 cards reporting might have no impact. As others have mentioned, Fico looks at # of open accounts with balances - open loans are accounts and thus they do get included in the count.

 

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@Thomas_Thumb
So when they calculate the utilization ratio do they only included the two cards used or do they use all 3? For example if I used two cards one discover it card with a balance of $80 but a limit of 2,700 and my capital one card with a balance of $51 and a limit of 900 will they only add the total $131 divided by 3,600 or will they include the card I didn’t use also with the $0 and a limit of $1000? Will it be $131/3600 or $131/4600?
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Anonymous
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Hi Ciera.  Sounds like you are a little confused about what we are saying.  There are three factors that FICO looks at connected with credit cards:

 

(1)  Total Utilization.  This is your total CC debt (across all cards) divided by your total credit limit (all open cards added together, including those with a zero balance).

 

(2)  Individual Utilization.  This is your CC debt divided by your credit limit for each card considered by itself.

 

(3)  Number of Open Accounts reporting a positive balance.  This is an integer number like 0, 1, 2, etc.  For example, if you had four open loans and three open cards, then you'd have 5, 6, or 7 accounts reporting a balance (since the open loans all have a positive balance).  It's also possible that FICO looks at ratios here: in that case you'd have 5/7, 6/7, or 7/7 reporting a balance.  Note that a card is reporting a balance even if that balance is a tiny number: e.g. if a card has a balance of $1 then it is reporting a balance.

 

#1 and #2 are the two kinds of revolving utilization.  #3 is something else entirely, and it has nothing to do with credit limits.  #1 has the hugest affect on your score, #2 the next biggest effect (assuming none of your cards are maxxed out), and #3 typically has the smallest effect by far.

 

Does that help?

 

PS.  There is one more kind of "utilization" which people here often call Installment Utilization.  It is confined to loans and other similar installment accounts.  When your loans are mostly but not entirely paid off, your IU is low which is good.  When you still owe most of the original loan amount, your IU is high.  This can cost you about 35 points in the FICO 8 model.

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