cancel
Showing results for 
Search instead for 
Did you mean: 

Credit challenge: Predict the change!

tag
Anonymous
Not applicable

Re: Credit challenge: Predict the change!

And for completeness, NOTHING happened when I've of my accounts went from 5 to 6 months, and NOTHING happened when my PLOC vanished. Neither of these events changed my AAoA which remained 8 months.

The PLoC is 8 months old and was reported only once to the reports, then a few days ago it just dropped off my report. The day it dropped off there was no change to my score implying that going from 6 to 7 accounts doesn't have any impact other than AAoA. In this case the vanishing PLoC happened to have an age of 8 months coincidentally equal to my AAoA so it disappearing had no AAoA impact.
Message 11 of 21
Anonymous
Not applicable

Re: Credit challenge: Predict the change!

Can you check back when one of your INQ becomes 6 months old? Interesting exp...

Message 12 of 21
NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: Credit challenge: Predict the change!


@Anonymous wrote:
And the results are in....

Yesterday my score was 720 and EX said my oldest account was 0.9 years old. Today it everything else is the same except it says my oldest account is 1 year old. My score today? 726.

So you get six points the day your oldest account rounds the 12 month mark.

Interesting to note that this happens on the 1st of the month in which the account hits a year, the exact actual day is later in the month but only TU records the actual day. EX actually has rounded the opening day to the 1st for every account.


Ok, while this is interesting, I would not say 1 year on the oldest account = 6 points.

You have a bunch of other activity going on, particularly 7 aging INQ that are none yet 1 year old. Two that are 3 months, implying they are just moving past that early stage of harming the score.

 

I would guess it is just as much impact from 4 INQ going to 9 months (likely linked to new accounts also going to 9 months on August 1, no?) and no apping for the last three months to allow the file to stop being churned with new data.

 

"Current status from EX's perspective: Score 720, 7 INQs that are 3m, 3m, 6m (within days!), 8m, 8m, 8m, 8m old."

 

The biggest factor with FICO scoring is paying on time, over time. As more time passes with no issues, and in this case with a number of accounts aging nicely, the score is going to go up naturally. The key now is to stop hitting the score over the head with INQ. Yes, aging of the accounts matters. 1 account out of all these being the 6 points? I doubt it is so clean.

 

Congratulations on the score rise! I saw a big rise in my scores in June as a result of utilization coming down and slowing down apping from the prior several months.

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
Message 13 of 21
Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: Credit challenge: Predict the change!


@NRB525 wrote:

Ok, while this is interesting, I would not say 1 year on the oldest account = 6 points.

 

Congratulations on the score rise! I saw a big rise in my scores in June as a result of utilization coming down and slowing down apping from the prior several months.



 


 

Off topic: NRB525 - I thought you were going to stop apping for CCs. Addiction difficulties?

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
Message 14 of 21
NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: Credit challenge: Predict the change!


@Thomas_Thumb wrote:

@NRB525 wrote:

Ok, while this is interesting, I would not say 1 year on the oldest account = 6 points.

 

Congratulations on the score rise! I saw a big rise in my scores in June as a result of utilization coming down and slowing down apping from the prior several months.



 


 

Off topic: NRB525 - I thought you were going to stop apping for CCs. Addiction difficulties?


When was that? Smiley Happy

After I applied for Diners Club Nov 3? (last app of the year)

After I added what I thought would be a Term Loan, turned out to be a basic PLOC Revolver from my local CU November 9?

After I saw a paper folder/app at the gas pump at Fred Meyer and thought "I wonder if I'd get that now after being denied two years ago" on Nov 30? (last app because I didn't really need any more)

After I applied for the Marriott and got instapproved because I wanted a metal card, the free night, and points on December 19? (also to keep-alive the points I resucitated from earlier stays before they expired)

After I tried to get a Golden1 3% card because I'm on the West Coast and it sounded good on Jan 3? Only to be denied. "Now I know, and can stop" (now running a couple grand through the checking account to try to see if that gets on their good side after a nice lady called to follow up on the app)

After I got the Hyatt card instapproval on January 24 because it felt so good to get an instapproval on the Marriott and to be back in with Chase after years in the wilderness?

 

Then I stopped apping.

 

until April 22, the Hilton card looked like a good no-AF card with points for gas and groceries and dining. Only to find out the places I buy gas, groceries and dining don't code right for AMEX to give me the extra 2 points. But I did learn from the free card, so I avoid the PRG and EDP, and got the sign up bonus.

Then April 27, denied the FNBO Best Western, basically taking one for the team to prove how difficult it is (or how easy to get denied with high utilization) from FNBO.

 

Then I stopped apping and my scores did take off in June, also coincidentally from dropping utilization overall to right around 20%.

 

Until the Capital One "combining limits' got started, apped Venture for $30k on July 8 with the intent to move it over to my old QS later. Otherwise, I would not have apped the Venture at all, without the combination. And scores over 750.

 

Then when I heard the Citi AAdvantage miles were going from 50k to 30k, and the preapproval was giving me lowest Citi rates on all cards, for the xx time this year, I got that instapproval for the 50k miles on what I think was the last day it was available. Good to be back from the wilderness with Citi and my $1k Diamond Preferred.

 

I have a United paper mailer that expires August 31, for the 50k miles offer. I may take that one, but it's the second one they've sent me this year, and I seem to be able to trigger them almost at will by showing a little interest in the program.

I have secured cards from PenFed and SDFCU. Those may or may not turn into later apps. I'm much less enamored of them now that I know more about them through the research and secured cards. (oh, and SDFCU Secured was in there earlier this year, but no HP so that doesn't count as an app, right?)

As noted I'm working the Golden1 checking account as a window dressing attempt, not sure that results in an app, but it's possible.

 

I'm done, until some trigger event happens for the next card, but the bar is being raised pretty high now, with all the cards I do have to keep entertained, and the realization that fractions of a point in rewards don't amount to very much on my budget.

 

Now, what were you saying about addiction? Smiley Wink

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
Message 15 of 21
Anonymous
Not applicable

Re: Credit challenge: Predict the change!

Further to post 1, my score moved from 726 yesterday to 733 today. I'm currently trying to figure out why today.

No balance changed reported, I'm waiting for one card to go to zero but the balance still shows.

No inquiries hit any monthly anniversary.

The only thing close in time is my oldest card technically hits 1 year in 3 days but Experians got that listed as the 1st and I saw 6 points that day.

So far, magic. Buy I will keep digging.

(Post 1 etc gives my situation)
Message 16 of 21
Anonymous
Not applicable

Re: Credit challenge: Predict the change!

I think I found the cause of the 7 point rise:

I said no balance updated but that was wrong. My amazon store card posted today and updated my balance from $769/2500 to $130/2500. That reduced my utilization from 3% to 1% overall and from 30% to 5% on that card.

My bet is utilization over 25% on one card was costing me. Clearly I need to work on my limit for my store card!
Message 17 of 21
Revelate
Moderator Emeritus

Re: Credit challenge: Predict the change!


@Anonymous wrote:
I think I found the cause of the 7 point rise:

I said no balance updated but that was wrong. My amazon store card posted today and updated my balance from $769/2500 to $130/2500. That reduced my utilization from 3% to 1% overall and from 30% to 5% on that card.

My bet is utilization over 25% on one card was costing me. Clearly I need to work on my limit for my store card!

We really need to get single tradeline utilization nailed down someday; I never saw an increase personally up to 66% and only lost a handful of points (5-8 depending on bureau) on FICO 8 going from $0 to 87.5% and 1 to 2 cards with balances which historically has been zero change other than Bankcard 04 (yawn).




        
Message 18 of 21
NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: Credit challenge: Predict the change!


@Anonymous wrote:
I think I found the cause of the 7 point rise:

I said no balance updated but that was wrong. My amazon store card posted today and updated my balance from $769/2500 to $130/2500. That reduced my utilization from 3% to 1% overall and from 30% to 5% on that card.

My bet is utilization over 25% on one card was costing me. Clearly I need to work on my limit for my store card!

When was the last score change, and what are all the other changes in balances, up and down, INQ, cards going in and out of zero, since then?

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
Message 19 of 21
Anonymous
Not applicable

Re: Credit challenge: Predict the change!

Last score change was as described in this thread, on the first it rose a few points. On that day my oldest card hit 12 months (Experianc always has the opening date listed as the 1st even though actual opening date was later in the month).

No cards going in or out of zero balance. No INQ. No new cards. No cards hit any "interesting" ages other than the one mentioned.

My amex BCE balance dropped from 170 to 109, I saw no score impact the day that happened.

My utilization reports as crazy low because my spend is on my PRG which doesn't get counted. If you counted my PRG it would be about 8%.

The only change I see is the Amazon store card which went from $769 to $130. I think that must be it because 769 is over 30% of the limit there.

If not... Inquiries aging? They are all less than a year old, my oldest INQ goes to one year in October.

My BCE will go to 0 next time it updates but that hasn't happened yet.
Message 20 of 21
Advertiser Disclosure: The offers that appear on this site are from third party advertisers from whom FICO receives compensation.