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Does rounding apply for the all-zero penalty?

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JonahK
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Does rounding apply for the all-zero penalty?

Obviously, for FICO Score 8, there is a penalty for having all cards reporting a zero balance. For the purposes of calculating this penalty, is there a balance that is low enough to be rounded to zero? Or does having a balance of even a single cent on a card prevent the penalty from being applied? 

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SouthJamaica
Mega Contributor

Re: Does rounding apply for the all-zero penalty?


@JonahK wrote:

Obviously, for FICO Score 8, there is a penalty for having all cards reporting a zero balance. For the purposes of calculating this penalty, is there a balance that is low enough to be rounded to zero? Or does having a balance of even a single cent on a card prevent the penalty from being applied? 


IMHO it's risky for it to be less than $10 or so.


Total revolving limits 569520 (505320 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




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Kforce
Valued Contributor

Re: Does rounding apply for the all-zero penalty?


@JonahK wrote:

Obviously, for FICO Score 8, there is a penalty for having all cards reporting a zero balance. For the purposes of calculating this penalty, is there a balance that is low enough to be rounded to zero? Or does having a balance of even a single cent on a card prevent the penalty from being applied? 


I do know some issuers report zero for balances that are less than a threshold.

Many report zero for < 1 dollar and some have reported on the forum < 5 dollars.

If doing AZEO and wanting a card to report non zero, I would use at least 5 dollars.

As long as it is > 5  .and. < 0.9% CL you should be gold.

 

As @SouthJamaica  said I just put  ~10.

 

Pick a card and every month leave a little less.

Become our all zero threshold tester.  Smiley LOL

 

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Anonymalous
Valued Contributor

Re: Does rounding apply for the all-zero penalty?


@JonahK wrote:

Obviously, for FICO Score 8, there is a penalty for having all cards reporting a zero balance. For the purposes of calculating this penalty, is there a balance that is low enough to be rounded to zero? Or does having a balance of even a single cent on a card prevent the penalty from being applied? 


I don't know if there's a minimum dollar threshold, but I can definitively say that on the FICO scores I have access to, I see a penalty when all my cards report $0, but not when there's a positive balance that rounds down to 0%. (I do it fairly frequently.)

 

 

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OmarR
Established Contributor

Re: Does rounding apply for the all-zero penalty?

I've rotated a $1 with at least half of the cards in my signature.  They have always reported and never a penalty. 

 EQ=850   TU=848     EX=849       0/24       UTIL=$1      AZEO

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mgood
Valued Contributor

Re: Does rounding apply for the all-zero penalty?


@Anonymalous wrote:

 

I don't know if there's a minimum dollar threshold, but I can definitively say that on the FICO scores I have access to, I see a penalty when all my cards report $0, but not when there's a positive balance that rounds down to 0%. (I do it fairly frequently.)

Thanks. I've wondered if it rounds to 0% if you'd get the penalty even though it is not $0.

Not that I have that problem to worry about right now, lol, but for future reference.



EQ8 781, TU8 764, EX8 772 as of July 28
AZE10 - 6% Utl - New Cards: 1/6, 3/12, 6/24
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FranknBeans
Regular Contributor

Re: Does rounding apply for the all-zero penalty?

I have had small balances of a few dollars get paid by the credit card company. (Discover). 











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HalFarmer
New Visitor

Re: Does rounding apply for the all-zero penalty?

Thanks for the info, I didn't know it.

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FalconSteve
Valued Contributor

Re: Does rounding apply for the all-zero penalty?


@JonahK wrote:

Obviously, for FICO Score 8, there is a penalty for having all cards reporting a zero balance. For the purposes of calculating this penalty, is there a balance that is low enough to be rounded to zero? Or does having a balance of even a single cent on a card prevent the penalty from being applied? 


Cards report in whole dollars, but if the card reports $1 balance, it doesn't round beyond that

1/8/17 Discover $18300 CL- $1k SL- AU, wife
1/26/20 AmEx Cash Magnet $35k CL, wife
2/19/20 BB&T/Truist Rewards $11k SL- impulse application
2/22/20 Citi Double Cash WEMC $2.9k-->$4.4k-->$8.4k-->$13.4k-->$17.4k-->$19.4k-->$22.4k-->27.4k AU, wife
3/8/20 Wells Fargo Propel AmEx/Autograph VISA $2900-->$3200-->$5000-->$8800-->$13k-->$15.5k CL- AU, wife
3/9/20 Truist Rewards $11k SL --> $13.5k- AU, wife- impulse app
3/21/20 REDcard MasterCard (TD Bank) $2500-->$6000-->$6500 CL
11/24/20 AmEx Cash Magnet $10k SL-->36hr-->$20k-->$35k CL
6/10/21 SoFi World Elite MC $7000 SL
1/19/22 AppleCard/GS $6k-->$10k-->$11k-->$12k AU, wife
8/15/22 Chase freedom flex $10.3k SL-->$12.5k-->$15k-->$19k AU, wife
7/5/23 Lowes/Synchrony $4k-->$10k-->same day-->$35k CL
8/2/23 Chase freedom flex $19k --> $22.8k-->24.3k CL
8/2/23 Discover $8k SL
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FalconSteve
Valued Contributor

Re: Does rounding apply for the all-zero penalty?


@mgood wrote:

@Anonymalous wrote:

 

I don't know if there's a minimum dollar threshold, but I can definitively say that on the FICO scores I have access to, I see a penalty when all my cards report $0, but not when there's a positive balance that rounds down to 0%. (I do it fairly frequently.)

Thanks. I've wondered if it rounds to 0% if you'd get the penalty even though it is not $0.

Not that I have that problem to worry about right now, lol, but for future reference.


It does not. I have ~$200k in available credit and I would be screwed if had to keep 5-10% utilization every month.

1/8/17 Discover $18300 CL- $1k SL- AU, wife
1/26/20 AmEx Cash Magnet $35k CL, wife
2/19/20 BB&T/Truist Rewards $11k SL- impulse application
2/22/20 Citi Double Cash WEMC $2.9k-->$4.4k-->$8.4k-->$13.4k-->$17.4k-->$19.4k-->$22.4k-->27.4k AU, wife
3/8/20 Wells Fargo Propel AmEx/Autograph VISA $2900-->$3200-->$5000-->$8800-->$13k-->$15.5k CL- AU, wife
3/9/20 Truist Rewards $11k SL --> $13.5k- AU, wife- impulse app
3/21/20 REDcard MasterCard (TD Bank) $2500-->$6000-->$6500 CL
11/24/20 AmEx Cash Magnet $10k SL-->36hr-->$20k-->$35k CL
6/10/21 SoFi World Elite MC $7000 SL
1/19/22 AppleCard/GS $6k-->$10k-->$11k-->$12k AU, wife
8/15/22 Chase freedom flex $10.3k SL-->$12.5k-->$15k-->$19k AU, wife
7/5/23 Lowes/Synchrony $4k-->$10k-->same day-->$35k CL
8/2/23 Chase freedom flex $19k --> $22.8k-->24.3k CL
8/2/23 Discover $8k SL
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