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EX FICO score has me perplexed

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Lechte
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EX FICO score has me perplexed

3 weeks ago I pulled my EX FICO....since that time, 1 charge-off and 1 Collection fell off due to age, and a 2 year old Collection was deleted.   And my UTIL went down from 21% to about 19%.    ...I just now pulled another report because I was curious about how many points I would gain from those 3 accounts being removed.   ....4 points.   I got a 13 pt jump from EQ and only the 2 Collections dropped off....charge-off is still on my EQ report.   3 removals = 4 points....2 removals = 13 points.   08/04 models can't be that much off can they? 

(EX08 - 654) --- (TU08 - 643) --- (EQ08 - 667) --- (EQ04 - 676)


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user5387
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Re: EX FICO score has me perplexed

One issue might be how much you gain from derogatories going away vs. how much you lose from old accounts dropping off.

 

Old derogatories may have lost much of their negative value.

 

If you close an account, it doesn't immediately affect your AAoA, but if an account is actually deleted or drops off, the account age is taken away.

 

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Lechte
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@user5387 wrote:

One issue might be how much you gain from derogatories going away vs. how much you lose from old accounts dropping off.

 

Old derogatories may have lost much of their negative value.

 

If you close an account, it doesn't immediately affect your AAoA, but if an account is actually deleted or drops off, the account age is taken away.

 


I didn't consider AAOA, but I thought AAOA didn't have an impact on your score if it only dropped/raised within that same year mark... 2.65 = 2 years...2.11 = 2 years right?  What am I missing?

(EX08 - 654) --- (TU08 - 643) --- (EQ08 - 667) --- (EQ04 - 676)


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user5387
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Re: EX FICO score has me perplexed

I don't know the details of your accounts, but if you say that old accounts are dropping off, then it's worth asking how old they are and their impact on AAoA.

 

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Anonymous
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Re: EX FICO score has me perplexed

These are the main differences between 08 and 04.

 

 

Payments: FICO 8 is more lenient toward the rare missed payment. A one-time mis-happening in terms of delinquency doesn't penalize the score as much compared to previous models  The flip side is that if that happens quite often they actually get penalized more than in the prior versions

 

In addition, FICO 8 ignores small debts in collections and public record items that have an original balance of less than $100.

 

 

Credit usage: The new FICO score is more sensitive to high credit usage than earlier models. In other words, if you max out your cards, your FICO score will lose more points than it would have in the past.

 

 

Authorized users: If you're an authorized user and don't have a legitimate relationship to the primary cardholder, such as husband and wife, your FICO score might not benefit. FICO 8 minimizes any score inflation caused by the controversial practice of piggybacking as an authorized user on the seasoned credit account of a stranger. Duque-Ribeiro says that FICO 8 uses "a methodology that allows us to be still compliant from a regulatory perspective, but actually make sure that the folks that are trying to do that don't get the benefits of lining up on the back of a consumer's good credi


Only the CO would impact the AAoA.  Collections and PRs are not calculated into that.

 

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Lechte
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@user5387 wrote:

I don't know the details of your accounts, but if you say that old accounts are dropping off, then it's worth asking how old they are and their impact on AAoA.

 


my AAOA went from 2.93 years to 2.71 years after the CO fell off due to age.  

(EX08 - 654) --- (TU08 - 643) --- (EQ08 - 667) --- (EQ04 - 676)


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Lechte
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@Anonymous wrote:

These are the main differences between 08 and 04.

 

 

Payments: FICO 8 is more lenient toward the rare missed payment. A one-time mis-happening in terms of delinquency doesn't penalize the score as much compared to previous models  The flip side is that if that happens quite often they actually get penalized more than in the prior versions

 

In addition, FICO 8 ignores small debts in collections and public record items that have an original balance of less than $100.

 

 

Credit usage: The new FICO score is more sensitive to high credit usage than earlier models. In other words, if you max out your cards, your FICO score will lose more points than it would have in the past.

 

 

Authorized users: If you're an authorized user and don't have a legitimate relationship to the primary cardholder, such as husband and wife, your FICO score might not benefit. FICO 8 minimizes any score inflation caused by the controversial practice of piggybacking as an authorized user on the seasoned credit account of a stranger. Duque-Ribeiro says that FICO 8 uses "a methodology that allows us to be still compliant from a regulatory perspective, but actually make sure that the folks that are trying to do that don't get the benefits of lining up on the back of a consumer's good credi


Only the CO would impact the AAoA.  Collections and PRs are not calculated into that.

 


Thanks guiness.   I asked in another thread....you wouldn't happen to know if the scoring models myfico.com uses are shown on this site anywhere?  All I've seen mentioned is the Fico 8.  Was wondering how you got the information?

(EX08 - 654) --- (TU08 - 643) --- (EQ08 - 667) --- (EQ04 - 676)


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user5387
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Re: EX FICO score has me perplexed

Another way of coming at this is to ask how much the derogatories were hurting you just before they dropped off.

 

The impact diminishes with age, presumably.

 

If they weren't hurting much, and your AAoA change is minimal, then maybe it's a wash.

 

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@Lechte wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

These are the main differences between 08 and 04.

 

 

Payments: FICO 8 is more lenient toward the rare missed payment. A one-time mis-happening in terms of delinquency doesn't penalize the score as much compared to previous models  The flip side is that if that happens quite often they actually get penalized more than in the prior versions

 

In addition, FICO 8 ignores small debts in collections and public record items that have an original balance of less than $100.

 

 

Credit usage: The new FICO score is more sensitive to high credit usage than earlier models. In other words, if you max out your cards, your FICO score will lose more points than it would have in the past.

 

 

Authorized users: If you're an authorized user and don't have a legitimate relationship to the primary cardholder, such as husband and wife, your FICO score might not benefit. FICO 8 minimizes any score inflation caused by the controversial practice of piggybacking as an authorized user on the seasoned credit account of a stranger. Duque-Ribeiro says that FICO 8 uses "a methodology that allows us to be still compliant from a regulatory perspective, but actually make sure that the folks that are trying to do that don't get the benefits of lining up on the back of a consumer's good credi


Only the CO would impact the AAoA.  Collections and PRs are not calculated into that.

 


Thanks guiness.   I asked in another thread....you wouldn't happen to know if the scoring models myfico.com uses are shown on this site anywhere?  All I've seen mentioned is the Fico 8.  Was wondering how you got the information?


I saw that and I did ask the question to the higher ups.  No answer yet.

 

http://www.myfico.com/crediteducation/questions/fico8.aspx

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Lechte
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@user5387 wrote:

Another way of coming at this is to ask how much the derogatories were hurting you just before they dropped off.

 

The impact diminishes with age, presumably.

 

If they weren't hurting much, and your AAoA change is minimal, then maybe it's a wash.

 


Well, after reading what Guiness posted....the 2 year old Collection wasn't affecting my EX score at all...it was a $75 Collection....i'm assuming the other 2 that were old didn't have a whole lot of impact...i'm guessin the 13 pt jump from EQ was more due to the fact of that $75 collection coming off.   ....thanks for the reponse User.

(EX08 - 654) --- (TU08 - 643) --- (EQ08 - 667) --- (EQ04 - 676)


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