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@Anonymous wrote:what bothers me the most is that my 2nd reason code is: "lack of recent installment loan information" how can that be affecting me so badly when the fluff statement tells me my creditmix is "very good".
so if my mix is very good, and this factor can only count for up to 10% of the total score, it means it should barely be affecting me not to have a loan.
If you have an installment loan on your file (even if it's closed) your credit mix is satisfied. The part of the Fico pie you're missing out on is found in the Amounts Owed (30%) category, which is made up of open revolving accounts and open installment accounts. Without an open installment loan (that's almost paid off) one isn't able to achieve maximum points in that area. It has nothing to do with credit mix. And, again, you need to look at how much a factor may be impacting your score based on how much it counts within a sector of Fico scoring. Looking at the value (30%, 10%, whatever) of the overall category is irrelevant when you're talking about single pieces found within any category.
ok i understand now. but do we know what peices exist in each pie category, or the percent of points that they represent? how did you determine that a loan is in the amts owed and not credit mix category?
@Anonymous wrote:ok i understand now. but do we know what peices exist in each pie category, or the percent of points that they represent? how did you determine that a loan is in the amts owed and not credit mix category?
You can find information on the different sector ingredients on this forum or in researching what goes into each sector online. As far as the percent of points, there's no way of knowing. Much if it can be profile/scorecard-specific too. A small portion of one sector may be "worth" 3 points on one profile and "worth" 10 points on another, simply based on that profile or scorecard assignment, as different signal strength can be assigned based on those factors. The only way to really begin to learn these things is by posting on this forum. If we get enough data points that on similar profiles a change to X causes around Y points, over time such a piece of data may be able to be reasonably relied on for other similar profiles.
An open loan is considered in the Amounts Owed sector of the Fico pie because, quite simply, it's an amount owed. That 30% of the Fico pie looks at open revolving debt and open installment debt. Credit mix can be satisfied if one doesn't have an open installment loan, but does have a closed on as evidenced by the different reason statements seen/reported.
@Anonymous wrote:'At least 3 cards with only 1 reporting a small balance and an open installment loan with less than 9% remaining balance' is commonly referred to as 'optimal' here. I saw a +62 point jump on my TU FICO 8 score when my 'credit builder' loan hit 8.47% remaining. (Half of that is from aging to 1 year without opening a new account. Expect 25-30pts without the aging gains.) Once the loan is paid off though, all those points go away.
Not according to BBS. Later in this thread, and in others you can find, "If you have an installment loan on your file (even if it's closed) your credit mix is satisfied."
@Anonymous wrote:ok i understand now. but do we know what peices exist in each pie category, or the percent of points that they represent? how did you determine that a loan is in the amts owed and not credit mix category?
It's a bit old, but I found a lot of good information in this thread:
https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/SCORECARDS/td-p/4359411
@Anonymous wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:'At least 3 cards with only 1 reporting a small balance and an open installment loan with less than 9% remaining balance' is commonly referred to as 'optimal' here. I saw a +62 point jump on my TU FICO 8 score when my 'credit builder' loan hit 8.47% remaining. (Half of that is from aging to 1 year without opening a new account. Expect 25-30pts without the aging gains.) Once the loan is paid off though, all those points go away.
Not according to BBS. Later in this thread, and in others you can find, "If you have an installment loan on your file (even if it's closed) your credit mix is satisfied."
Credit Mix is satisfied with the presence of a closed loan. Again, what is being referred to above with the under 9% utilization on an open installment loan impacts the Amounts Owed sector of the Fico pie. That has nothing at all to do with Credit Mix. You're confusing the two categories.
@Anonymous wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:'At least 3 cards with only 1 reporting a small balance and an open installment loan with less than 9% remaining balance' is commonly referred to as 'optimal' here. I saw a +62 point jump on my TU FICO 8 score when my 'credit builder' loan hit 8.47% remaining. (Half of that is from aging to 1 year without opening a new account. Expect 25-30pts without the aging gains.) Once the loan is paid off though, all those points go away.
Not according to BBS. Later in this thread, and in others you can find, "If you have an installment loan on your file (even if it's closed) your credit mix is satisfied."
Credit Mix is satisfied with the presence of a closed loan. Again, what is being referred to above with the under 9% utilization on an open installment loan impacts the Amounts Owed sector of the Fico pie. That has nothing at all to do with Credit Mix. You're confusing the two categories.
No, I understand the difference. My dispute is with the statement, "Once the loan is paid off though, all those points go away."
Not ALL those points go away, just those associated with utilization. The points gained from credit mix stay.
@AllZero wrote:
nerdralph, I don't recall reading data points on "credit mix points". Can you lead me in the direction where you read it?
There's a bunch of threads talking about secured loans boosting scores. Try searching the forums for "SSL".
@Anonymous wrote:Not ALL those points go away, just those associated with utilization. The points gained from credit mix stay.
The above quote is what I'm referencing. The SSL score boost is for open installment loan. I've read from other members losing points from closed installment loans. Didn't know if you found a data point I'd like to learn from.