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Experian scores update after 1 HP

Thought I would share some score updates after my Disco approval yesterday to today.  Little back story, have long history with oldest account at 22yrs which is my only cc which is Cap1 with small $1350 cl which I've just kept with a small balance (3%).  2 closed accnts which were opened in 4/01 and 12/05, those only show on my EX & EQ reports, not TU so AAoA is 18yrs.  Have had previous mortgage and auto loan that were paid off early and have aged off so don't show anywhere.

 

Decided to app for my 2nd card yesterday, went with Disco IT cash back card and got instant approval for $6500sl.  Now the score details from yesterday and today with my EX scores with the only change being the Disco HP inq:

Fico 8: 772 to 765 (-7)

Fico 2: 777 to 745 (-32)

Auto 2: 763 to 734 (-29)

Auto 8: 750 to 741 (-9)

Bankcard 2: 794 to 761 (-33)

Fico 3: 745 to 726 (-19)

Bankcard 8: 770 to 762 (-8)

 

Some of those seem pretty significant.  Now I'm curious how/when scores will respond when Disco reports?

 

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Revelate
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Re: Experian scores update after 1 HP

Thanks for the data point!

I assume this was explicitly going from 0 to 1 HP?

For EX FICO 2 could you share the before and after reason codes? I do see Recently Looking for Credit in my number two slot under Short Credit History at 4 score-able inquiries.

Wouldn’t have thought 30 points for having an inquiry at all but I have a boatload of accounts and my AAOA is a hair under 5 years and my oldest account is much shorter at just under 11 years.

Disco reporting may well be a ding both from AOYA and AAOA: actually is your file basically completely clean?

We are probably on different scorecards but with everything other than file thickness your report is better on the metrics yet my score is slightly higher, and actually markedly higher after your inquiry.

It’s an interesting comparison so yeah definitely would like to see reason codes pretty please Smiley Wink



        
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Anonymous
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Re: Experian scores update after 1 HP


@Revelate wrote:
Thanks for the data point!

I assume this was explicitly going from 0 to 1 HP?

For EX FICO 2 could you share the before and after reason codes? I do see Recently Looking for Credit in my number two slot under Short Credit History at 4 score-able inquiries.

Wouldn’t have thought 30 points for having an inquiry at all but I have a boatload of accounts and my AAOA is a hair under 5 years and my oldest account is much shorter at just under 11 years.

Disco reporting may well be a ding both from AOYA and AAOA: actually is your file basically completely clean?

We are probably on different scorecards but with everything other than file thickness your report is better on the metrics yet my score is slightly higher, and actually markedly higher after your inquiry.

It’s an interesting comparison so yeah definitely would like to see reason codes pretty please Smiley Wink

@Revelate

 

Sure thing.  Shows my Inq's going from 4 to 5 as I had 4 same day back in Jan. for an auto loan that I didn't pull the trigger on.  Front end shows those Inqs but actual CR showed only 1 inq as they grouped those into 1 so this Disco would be 2.

 

Fico 2 reason codes stayed exact same - seeking credit, missed payment and short account history (hmm)

 

Clean file except did notice 1 30 day late for Cap1 3 years ago, wierd since on auto pay but currenty trying to fight that one.  No other deroq's. 

 

I know I'll get a ding with AAoA when Disco hits, but hoping to gain a little something for adding my 2nd open account...

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Revelate
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Re: Experian scores update after 1 HP


@Anonymous wrote:


@Revelate

 

Sure thing.  Shows my Inq's going from 4 to 5 as I had 4 same day back in Jan. for an auto loan that I didn't pull the trigger on.  Front end shows those Inqs but actual CR showed only 1 inq as they grouped those into 1 so this Disco would be 2.

 

Fico 2 reason codes stayed exact same - seeking credit, missed payment and short account history (hmm)

 

Clean file except did notice 1 30 day late for Cap1 3 years ago, wierd since on auto pay but currenty trying to fight that one.  No other deroq's. 

 

I know I'll get a ding with AAoA when Disco hits, but hoping to gain a little something for adding my 2nd open account...


If you only have 3 reason codes now you'll probably tack on New Accounts somewhere in the 2-3 slot would be my guess when the Disco hits.

 

Basically the order matters, it takes an absurdly long time for the AAOA one to go away and with it's being in #3 for you means it's not especially relevant to your scoring, kind of like my percentage of accounts with balance dropped into #4 slot for me but hasn't all gone away.

 

Not certain how many scorecards FICO 98 had, but I suspect either the thin file or the 30D late might have more heavily punished the inquiry than what we typically see even from 1 to 2 anecdotally.

 

 




        
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Anonymous
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Re: Experian scores update after 1 HP


@Revelate wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:


@Revelate

 

Sure thing.  Shows my Inq's going from 4 to 5 as I had 4 same day back in Jan. for an auto loan that I didn't pull the trigger on.  Front end shows those Inqs but actual CR showed only 1 inq as they grouped those into 1 so this Disco would be 2.

 

Fico 2 reason codes stayed exact same - seeking credit, missed payment and short account history (hmm)

 

Clean file except did notice 1 30 day late for Cap1 3 years ago, wierd since on auto pay but currenty trying to fight that one.  No other deroq's. 

 

I know I'll get a ding with AAoA when Disco hits, but hoping to gain a little something for adding my 2nd open account...


If you only have 3 reason codes now you'll probably tack on New Accounts somewhere in the 2-3 slot would be my guess when the Disco hits.

 

Basically the order matters, it takes an absurdly long time for the AAOA one to go away and with it's being in #3 for you means it's not especially relevant to your scoring, kind of like my percentage of accounts with balance dropped into #4 slot for me but hasn't all gone away.

 

Not certain how many scorecards FICO 98 had, but I suspect either the thin file or the 30D late might have more heavily punished the inquiry than what we typically see even from 1 to 2 anecdotally.

 

 


Not sure how they order but the 3 reason codes I have are Seeking credit, missed payments in the left column and then short account history on the right side by itself...

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Revelate
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Re: Experian scores update after 1 HP


@Anonymous wrote:

@Revelate wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:


@Revelate

 

Sure thing.  Shows my Inq's going from 4 to 5 as I had 4 same day back in Jan. for an auto loan that I didn't pull the trigger on.  Front end shows those Inqs but actual CR showed only 1 inq as they grouped those into 1 so this Disco would be 2.

 

Fico 2 reason codes stayed exact same - seeking credit, missed payment and short account history (hmm)

 

Clean file except did notice 1 30 day late for Cap1 3 years ago, wierd since on auto pay but currenty trying to fight that one.  No other deroq's. 

 

I know I'll get a ding with AAoA when Disco hits, but hoping to gain a little something for adding my 2nd open account...


If you only have 3 reason codes now you'll probably tack on New Accounts somewhere in the 2-3 slot would be my guess when the Disco hits.

 

Basically the order matters, it takes an absurdly long time for the AAOA one to go away and with it's being in #3 for you means it's not especially relevant to your scoring, kind of like my percentage of accounts with balance dropped into #4 slot for me but hasn't all gone away.

 

Not certain how many scorecards FICO 98 had, but I suspect either the thin file or the 30D late might have more heavily punished the inquiry than what we typically see even from 1 to 2 anecdotally.

 

 


Not sure how they order but the 3 reason codes I have are Seeking credit, missed payments in the left column and then short account history on the right side by itself...


Left Top, Left Bottom, Right Top, Right Bottom = 1, 2, 3, 4 respectively. 

 

Confirmed that against a report from here.




        
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Thomas_Thumb
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Re: Experian scores update after 1 HP


@Revelate wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:


@Revelate

 

Sure thing.  Shows my Inq's going from 4 to 5 as I had 4 same day back in Jan. for an auto loan that I didn't pull the trigger on.  Front end shows those Inqs but actual CR showed only 1 inq as they grouped those into 1 so this Disco would be 2.

 

Fico 2 reason codes stayed exact same - seeking credit, missed payment and short account history (hmm)

 

Clean file except did notice 1 30 day late for Cap1 3 years ago, wierd since on auto pay but currenty trying to fight that one.  No other deroq's. 

 

I know I'll get a ding with AAoA when Disco hits, but hoping to gain a little something for adding my 2nd open account...


If you only have 3 reason codes now you'll probably tack on New Accounts somewhere in the 2-3 slot would be my guess when the Disco hits.

 

Basically the order matters, it takes an absurdly long time for the AAOA one to go away and with it's being in #3 for you means it's not especially relevant to your scoring, kind of like my percentage of accounts with balance dropped into #4 slot for me but hasn't all gone away.

 

Not certain how many scorecards FICO 98 had, but I suspect either the thin file or the 30D late might have more heavily punished the inquiry than what we typically see even from 1 to 2 anecdotally.

 


Fico 98 has 8 clean and 2 dirty scorecards - same as Fico 04. By comparison Fico 8 has 8 clean and 4 dirty.

 

The OP has no loans open or closed on File in addition to having only one open CC. So the OP suffers from a thin file due to lack of critical mass and lack of mix. A revolver only profile will be more reactive to changes in scoring attributes than one which includes installment loans in the mix. It's hyper skittish looking for threats from all directions. The older Fico models appear to be more reactive particularly if there is no installment loan on file - open or closed. Still, that magnitude of score drop for one incremental HP seems excessive.

 

If this HP only shows up on EX, the TU and EQ scores should not change until the new account shows up. 

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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Anonymous
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Re: Experian scores update after 1 HP


@Thomas_Thumb wrote:


Fico 98 has 10 clean and 2 dirty scorecards - same as Fico 04. By comparison Fico 8 has 10 clean and 4 dirty.

 


I thought Fico 8 was 8 clean and 4 dirty?

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Anonymous
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Re: Experian scores update after 1 HP

The HP did only show on EX so will be curious as to the score impact for the new account on EQ and TU when that shows up

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Thomas_Thumb
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Re: Experian scores update after 1 HP


@Anonymous wrote:

@Thomas_Thumb wrote:


Fico 98 has 10 clean and 2 dirty scorecards - same as Fico 04. By comparison Fico 8 has 10 clean and 4 dirty.

 


I thought Fico 8 was 8 clean and 4 dirty?


You are 100% correct. I must have been suffering a mental aberration. Hopefully it's an isolated incident.

 

Fico 98, Fico 04 and Fico 8 all have 8 clean scorecards. The difference is in the # of dirty scorecards. Fico 98 and Fico 04 having 2 derog scorecards for a total of 10 with Fico 8 having 4 derog scorecards for a total of 12. Fico 9 added a scorecard for high revolving utilization bringing total to 13.

 

Correction made in above post.

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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