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FICO 8s drop with loan payoff.

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Yeliaba1
Frequent Contributor

FICO 8s drop with loan payoff.

I had two installment loans (one personal, one auto) along with 6 cc.  Deciding I wanted to decrease the number of open accounts, I closed the small personal loan with a balance under 8%.  My EX Fico 8 dropped 7 points and the EX Fico 8 bankcard and auto scores dropped 6 each.  There was no impact on my mortgage score or EX Fico 2 or 5 scores.  Today my TU FICO 8 score dropped 4.  The loan was my 2nd youngest account by a couple of days so the AAoA would improve.  I still have the auto loan.  Seems any time I have closed an installment loan despite having another, I will receive a FICO 8 score drop.  Not sure if the fact I don't have a clean scorecard influences the alogorithm. 

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Revelate
Moderator Emeritus

Re: FICO 8s drop with loan payoff.

What were the before and after balances on both loans and what were the original amounts for each?

That sounds like the similar magnitude that I saw when I was first testing, would be interested to see if we can narrow down the top breakpoint based on what you have.

AAOA doesn’t change as a result of closing an account: that is a myth regarding FICO; as long as the account is on the report it factors in AAOA (for OC tradelines anyway).



        
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SouthJamaica
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Re: FICO 8s drop with loan payoff.


@Yeliaba1 wrote:

I had two installment loans (one personal, one auto) along with 6 cc.  Deciding I wanted to decrease the number of open accounts, I closed the small personal loan with a balance under 8%.  My EX Fico 8 dropped 7 points and the EX Fico 8 bankcard and auto scores dropped 6 each.  There was no impact on my mortgage score or EX Fico 2 or 5 scores.  Today my TU FICO 8 score dropped 4.  The loan was my 2nd youngest account by a couple of days so the AAoA would improve.  I still have the auto loan.  Seems any time I have closed an installment loan despite having another, I will receive a FICO 8 score drop.  Not sure if the fact I don't have a clean scorecard influences the alogorithm. 


The AAoA wouldn't be affected by the loan closing. It would only be affected when the loan falls off your reports, which could be many years hence.

 

The FICO 8's are affected by aggregate installment utilization percentage, so when you close 1 of 2 loans the numerator and denominator are changed, so the aggregate percentage is changed. Sometimes it's increased, sometimes it's decreased, depending on the balances prior to closure and the original loan amounts.

 

Loan 1 balance 500 original loan 20,000

Loan 2 balance 5000 original loan 20,000

Aggregate is 5500/40,000 = 13.75%

 

Close Loan 1, new aggregate is 5000/20,000= 25%. Scores may go down.

Close Loan 2, new aggregate is 500/20,000= 2.5%. Scores will go up.

 


Total revolving limits 569520 (505320 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 699 TU 696 EX 673




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Yeliaba1
Frequent Contributor

Re: FICO 8s drop with loan payoff.

Revelate

Orginal auto loan was $5500 and now sits at $3500 (just dragging it out).  Personal loan was $5K.  WHen I paid then personal loan down from 52% to 7.5% ($397) I saw no FICO 8 change.  Just paid the $397 balance and got the drop.  Again, this is not a clean scorecard.

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Yeliaba1
Frequent Contributor

Re: FICO 8s drop with loan payoff.

SJ

 

That makes sense.  I went from 37% (2 loans) to 63% with only one loan.  Ouuuch!!!

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Revelate
Moderator Emeritus

Re: FICO 8s drop with loan payoff.

Hrm, I am just going to ask: that 3500 balance is a suspiciously round number, is it exact?

I got a boost going from 82% to 64% on a dirty file and I didn’t find anything below that going all the way down to 9%

If it is scorecard dependent what is your dirt specifically? I had a tax lien, collection, and a 30/60 late.



        
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Yeliaba1
Frequent Contributor

Re: FICO 8s drop with loan payoff.

Exactly, 3509/5483 (63.9%) on the auto loan, personal loan is accurate.  Got 60 and 90 day lates on 3 accounts IIB on EX.

EQ 8 updated and gave me 2 points.  EQ has only one baddie and the BK.

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Yeliaba1
Frequent Contributor

Re: FICO 8s drop with loan payoff.

Exactly, 3509/5483 (63.9%) on the auto loan, personal loan is accurate.  Got 60 and 90 day lates on 3 accounts IIB on EX.

EQ 8 updated and gave me 2 points.  EQ has only one baddie and the BK.

 

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