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FICO 9 ADOPTION UPDATE!!

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Tigremalo2001
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FICO 9 ADOPTION UPDATE!!

Can somebody explain the current state of implementation of FICO 9 by lenders across the USA. Is something happening at all??

Starting FICO scores 5/2017--- 580 EQ/ 531 TU/535 EXperian

As of 12/29/17 Curent FICO ----691 EQ/ 666 TU/ 686 Experian
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Anonymous
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Re: FICO 9 ADOPTION UPDATE!!


@Tigremalo2001 wrote:

Can somebody explain the current state of implementation of FICO 9 by lenders across the USA. Is something happening at all??


And here I thought this thread was going to tell me an update on FICO 9.

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909
Regular Contributor

Re: FICO 9 ADOPTION UPDATE!!

Agreed. The thread title exclamation marks should be a question mark.
Fico 8 Scores
7/2020: EQ - 842; TU - 832; EX - 848
10/2017: EQ - 823; TU - 835; EX - 824
05/2016: EQ - 712; TU - 706; EX - 710
11/2015: EQ - 694; TU - 651; EX - 653
5/2015: EQ - 670
5/2014: EQ - 653
11/2013: EQ - 645
05/2013: EQ - 656
11/2012: EQ - 646

Eight CCs ($179,500 CL, 0%-1% UTIL)
AoOA = 18.6 years, AAoA = 60 mos., AoYA = 18 mos.
One mortgage, one HELOC, no car loans.
Derogs from 2009 and 2010 now gone after 7 years. I started paying attention to credit scores in about 2014. It's taken a few years but credit scores are now good after starting in the high 500s back in 2011

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Tigremalo2001
New Contributor

Re: FICO 9 ADOPTION UPDATE???

So..Does anybody have an update on implementation. Why is it taking so long??

Starting FICO scores 5/2017--- 580 EQ/ 531 TU/535 EXperian

As of 12/29/17 Curent FICO ----691 EQ/ 666 TU/ 686 Experian
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Anonymous
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Re: FICO 9 ADOPTION UPDATE???

It's probably two things: (1) institutional inertia and (2) actual value of FICO 9.

 

(1) Slow adoption is normal.because big banks are usually very slow to change to any new model (even if it is really good).  The danger in shifting to some new unproven model is significant, so they usually take years before they put a new model into production, i.e. using it as the formal decision maker in actual CC or loan granting.  But during that time they are often running the new model in parallel to see how well it predicts risk compared to the one they are used to.  It took years for big banks to shift to FICO 8 (until last year Wells Fargo, for example, was using a FICO model released in 1998) and FICO 9 won't be any different.

 

(2) FICO 9 may just simply not have much in it that helps lenders and CC issuers -- FICO 8 may be basically just as good.  The new technologies that conceivably could have been added to it are not there: e.g. the use of trended data.  (In contrast, Vantage 4 is using TD, from what people say.) 

 

A helpful analogy might be Microsoft operating systems.  When institutions perceived no value in Windows Vista in 2006 (they were happy using Windows XP) they simply waited until the next big version of Windows came along that they liked (Windows 7).  Then again the same thing happened with Windows 8: institutions were happy using Win 7 and saw no value in Win 8, so they simply waited it out until Windows 10 was released.  Many financial institutions may be be perceiving FICO 9 is just not having much value and they plan to wait till FICO 10, leapfrogging over 9 just as people leapfrogged over Vista and Win 8.

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Thomas_Thumb
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Re: FICO 9 ADOPTION UPDATE???

I suspect Fico 9 is too similar to Fico 8 relative to risk analysis tools. Paid off collections won't ding score in F9 and lenders like that as an incentive to motivate borrowers to pay up. Even so, do the tweaks really provide any additional insight into credit worthiness? Perhaps not - Lenders don't want to keep changing models and re-calibrating baselines.

 

For adopters of Fico 8, additional innovations over and above what Fico 9 offers are probably necessary to prompt another migration. Kind of like going from Windows 7 to Windows 8 or Windows 8.1 - not much incentive. Same was true going from Windows XP to Windows Vista. Much greater success XP => 7 and 7 => 10 with a bit of coercion in both cases.

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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