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FICO 9 vs. FICO 8 (Equifax)

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FICO 9 vs. FICO 8 (Equifax)

I've read that others have had similiar issues; wondering if there has been any response/resolution/explanation?

 

Equifax Fico 8: 828 (Citi Card)

 

Equifax Fico 9: 758 (Navy & Pen Fed) 

  • Serious delinquency FICO® Scores consider the presence of a serious delinquency (very late payment) on a person's credit report as a powerful predictor of future payment risk. Your score was impacted because your credit report shows one or more serious delinquencies.

 

I pulled my credit report from Equifax

  • The summary states specifically: Accounts with Negative Information: 0
  • I went through line by line and there is nothing derogatory

I haven't pulled TU or Exp FICO 9 Scores, so I am not sure if this is across the board for all bureau's or just Equifax. 

 

Anybody have any insight? 

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Anonymous
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Re: FICO 9 vs. FICO 8 (Equifax)

If you had a small unpaid collection (< $99) this would explain why your FICO 8 would be much higher than FICO 9, since such a collection is penalized heavily in FICO 9 but not at all in any of the FICO 8 models.

 

You said that you pulled your report and went over it carefully.  Where did you get this report?  AnnualCreditReport.com would be the best place.

 

Another issue is that FICO 8 BankCard Enhanced (provided by Citi) has a different range than FICO 9 Classic.  FICO 8 and 9 Classic have a maximum ceiling of 850, whereas the BankCard Enhanced flavor has a ceiling of 900.  It's possible therefore that your Citi score is only a bit higher than your FICO 9 (Citi score is 72 points from maximum and FICO 9 is 92 points from maximum).

 

If you would like to compare a FICO 8 Classic with your FICO 9 Classic (both have the same ranges) you can get your three FICO 8 scores at Credit Check Total for a buck.  You'll also get a full set of negative reason statements which would be interesting to compare with the ones from FICO 9.

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DCnDC
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Re: FICO 9 vs. FICO 8 (Equifax)

My fiancé’s is like that on NFCU (low-mid 700s and the serious delinquency verbiage). Made us nervous, thinking there was an inaccurate account reporting but when we pulled his 3 scores through CCT, they were between 825 and 850. And also pulled all 3 credit bureaus to check line-by-line. Nothing. So not sure what to think. Mine, on the other hand, shows in the 800s just like my FICO 8 scores so I’m at a loss.
FICO 8 (as of 8/23/2019) | EX: 823 | TU: 824 | EQ: 831
Inquiries (Total) | EX: 1 | TU: 1 | EQ: 1
Inquiries (Less than 1 year) | EX: 0 | TU: 0 | EQ: 0

Bank Americard Mastercard $90,000 | PenFed Promise Visa $39,000 | Citi Simplicity Mastercard $26,500 | NFCU More Rewards Amex $25,000 | Macy's $25,000 | Synchrony Home (Mohawk) $25,000 | NFCU Go Rewards Visa $24,300 | Citi Costco Visa $15,300 | NFCU CLOC $15,000 | PenFed Gold Visa $11,000 | Discover It $10,000 | Citi Diamond Preferred Visa $9,500 | Kohl's $3,000

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Re: FICO 9 vs. FICO 8 (Equifax)

So I ordered the True Credit Total.

My FICO 8 Equifax score is 820 and states "You currently have no negative score factors impacting your Equifax FICO Score".

So I wonder, what is the negative that Fico 9 is picking up to warrant a 62 point difference?

 Equifax Fico 8: No DerogsEquifax Fico 8: No Derogs

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Anonymous
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Re: FICO 9 vs. FICO 8 (Equifax)

Can you give us a link to True Credit Total?  I haven't heard of that service.

 

Earlier in the thread you mentioned having pulled your credit report.  Have you pulled that report from AnnualCreditReport.com?  ACR is the gold standard whenever there is something strange that needs to be investigated on your report.

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Powertripper
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Re: FICO 9 vs. FICO 8 (Equifax)

Sorry, that's actually Experian CreditCheck® Total.

Yes, in my original post the credit report I was referring to was pulled from AnnualCreditReport.com.

 

 

 

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Anonymous
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Re: FICO 9 vs. FICO 8 (Equifax)

Unless someone else can advise you better, I'd say that at this point you need to give Equifax a call and see if they can shed any light on this.

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Revelate
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Re: FICO 9 vs. FICO 8 (Equifax)

There were some old posts from when Navy first started offering FICO 9 scores about some weird idiosyncracies.

 

Other than checking in them to see if you can find a solution I can't really give you a better idea.  




        
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Anonymous
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Re: FICO 9 vs. FICO 8 (Equifax)

Thanks R.  I had dimly remembered that this issue had come up before: ACR report shows completely clean, but FICO 9 reason statement clearly implies presence of serious derog.

 

To our OP: If a conversation with Navy and PenFed (from the FICO 9 angle) and with Equifax (from the credit report angle) gets you nowhere, here's another option.  Sign up for the myFICO Ultimate product ($30/mo version).  See what the 3B report says (presumably no derogs) and also what the FICO 9 scores say.  If the FICO 9 scores have no reason states implying the existence of derogs, then it must be some weird Navy/PenFed thing.  If the scores do imply derogs, contact myFICO customer service.  You have good grounds for them continuing to work on this until they can figure it out, since you are a customer ($30/mo) who has purchased a product that gives contradictory information. 

 

Here are the steps I would take if I were you.

 

(1)  Call Equifax.  Explain situation and ask if they can shed any light.  Remind them that both PenFed and Navy's FICO 9 scores baldly state that you have serious derogs.

 

(2)  Assuming EQ confirms after research that you have zero derogs of any kind, contact Navy and Penfed.  They will try to deflect the question to EQ, but you will have already called EQ so you can tell Navy and PF that EQ has confirmed that they are zero derogs.  Also relevant is that you have pulled your FICO 8 scores which are extremely high and state that there are no derogs.

 

(3)  Assuming no solution from EQ, Navy, and PF, sign up for the myFICO Ultimate and try that route. 

 

As always, be polite and friendly with all the customer service reps you speak with, from any of those four groups, even if you reach someone who seems uncooperative or who seems to know little about scoring/reports.  (You can always repeat the call with the hope if reaching someone better the bext day.)  And be sure to call between 10 am and 4 pm Eastern Time on a regular business day (no holidays, no weekends) -- that increases the chance of getting a person who knows what he/she is talking about. 

 

Keep us posted on what you discover!

 

PS.  One final thought.  Go into this is a relaxed way.  The most important thing is (a) confirming that you have no true derogs of any kind on the report and (b) that your FICO 8 scores imply no derogs of any kind and are quite high.  Both seem almost certain at this point.  Most lenders are not using FICO 9 yet, and even in 2020 you will still be able to find many lenders using FICO 8 or earlier.  And if this is a bug in FICO 9, the folks at FICO may well have fixed it in the next 6-12 months anyway.

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Re: FICO 9 vs. FICO 8 (Equifax)

I searched specifically for a thread on Fico 9 because I just joined NFCU and my Fico 9 is 615 with them!  But my Fico 8 is EQ 661 TU 655 EX 666 as of today.

 

I'm so confused!  What is making my Fico 9 score so low?  Is there a different algorithm?

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