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I have a Chase Visa with a $3500 Line. On 21 February I charged $30 to the account (less than 1% util). My 3 scores immediately changed thus:
TU +1
EXP +18
EFX +14
All my FICO-8 scores are between 750 and 780.
Today I paid the $30 debt bringing my balance back to $0. So far, the scores changed thus:
TU - 1
EFX -10
EXP - not reported yet.
So, the story is: Charge $30 and you get 14 points. Pay the $30 and you lose 10 of them. Keep in mind this is all over a $30 balance at less than 1% utilization.
Chase reports zero whenever you bring your balance to zero. If that results in all cards reporting a balance of zero, the typical ding is up to about 20 points.
If you care about those points, it's easiest to choose a different card to report a positive balance. That way, when Chase reports zero, it'll work to your advantage.
@HeavenOhiowrote:Chase reports zero whenever you bring your balance to zero. If that results in all cards reporting a balance of zero, the typical ding is up to about 20 points.
If you care about those points, it's easiest to choose a different card to report a positive balance. That way, when Chase reports zero, it'll work to your advantage.
I have no problem with anyone correctly reporting a $0 balance. My point is the hit we take from FICO for HAVING a $0 balance. Who would think that $30 makes such a big difference?
Throughout almost all of FICO's history, the big three credit bureaus stored only very limited data on credit card balances. Every month the newly reported balances would wipe out the old ones.
This is crucial because it means that FICO had no way to tell what it meant when a person had all cards reporting at zero. It might mean:
(A) That the person had been using credit cards frequently for years, but this most recent month was a fluke.
(B) That the person had been using credit cards frequently for years, including the last couple months, but he always paid the cards to zero.
(C) That the person had not used his cards even once for the last three years.
The CRA gave FICO no way to detect which of the three was the case. Persons A and B are regularly using credit, but never missing a payment and keeping their debt very low. Person C is not using credit at all, and hence his absence of lates and his ability to keep debt low is much less meaningful.
Because FICO lacked the ability to distinguish the three scenarios, it had to rely on a proxy. The developers marked a person as using his cards (A or B) if at least one positive balance reported; otherwise if all cards reported zero it marked him as C.
@AnonymousI have chase Freedom card plus another chase. So are you saying if my balance is zero at any point during the month it reports that to the bureaus the following month? Doesn’t Chase have a statement ending date? Should I just make sure my balance on chase is never 0 then? I have capital one card too and wanted to try the AZEO method.Perhaps instead I should just let Chase cards report zero and let my capital one reflect a tiny balance for AZEO to work ?
If you want to ensure that AZEO is going to work, I'd recommend using the CO card, not your Chase cards as the account you plan to allow a small balance to report on. Chase will report your balance at the end of each statement period, but if you then pay off that non-zero balance they'll go ahead and re-report your balance as $0. It then would remain $0 (reported) until the next time you have a positive non-zero statement balance, which could be a few days or up to a month depending on when during your cycle you paid off the account.
I'm not sure what you mean by the Amex comment above?
Not sure where you read that, but it isn't true. In fact, historically, Amex coming from the charge card end of things if anything is viewed as preferring those that PIF / don't carry balances. Of course, that's not the same thing as reporting a balance, but it's worth mentioning here. I've received multiple Amex CLIs without a balance reported. Remember, a balance reported (or not reported) has no bearing at all on usage. Usage is really what matters when it comes to CLIs, as if you use your limit more it gives the lender greater incentive to increase that limit.