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FICO Causes and Effects (What Happened, and How Did it Affect Your FICO?)

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Re: FICO Causes and Effects (What Happened, and How Did it Affect Your FICO?)



tavia wrote:
Hi,
I recently submitted several disputes and the next day received an alert that my score dropped 15 points with Equifax. Is this because of the disputes, and if so will I get the points back after the investigations are completed?
 
Help!! I don't know what to do, because I have worked hard to get my score up, and don't know why it dropped.
 


Tavia -
 
I have disputed items several times and have not ever had a corresponding drop in my FICO score.  That is my experience with disputes.  Everything I have read shows that it is not the fact that you are disputing something that lowers your score.  That being said, if whatever item you are disputing is seen as valid and gets removed from your credit record - and that removal does something like shortening your credit history, that can negatively affect your score due to reducing your time with credit.  It can conversely increase your credit score if it is a new enough record and reduces the number of accounts reporting negative history.
 
Another point would be that - it dropped the very next day?  I really don't know if that type of a response time would be related to your dispute.
 
Do you happen to subscribe to ScoreWatch?  This very inexpensive service that shows you if there are any credit alerts such as increased balances, new baddies reporting etc... at the same time you experience a credit increase/drop.  I recommend it even if it is a bit slow.
 
Alix
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Re: FICO Causes and Effects (What Happened, and How Did it Affect Your FICO?)

[QUOTE]
Don't understand it, but it seems to me that the FICO scoring system frowns on disputes.
Once your investigation is over you should regain those points.  Any deletions would add to an increase of points, too.[/QUOTE]
 
Certain CRA's, like TU in my experience, frown on any disputes they perceive to be frivolous, but that only affects whether or not they actually investigate and retain the item in question, not on how it's scored.
 
There is NO penalty for disputing items insofar as your score is concerned.  Where you will get hurt is if the length of the history with a given creditor outweighs the bad marks, and you delete it, you can see your score drop.  It can also drop because of some other item you may have missed (a new inquiry, an account that was updated to show a new late--even if it's an old old they just had forgotten to add, a change in an account status for a different account you had considered okay, etc...).
 
I had disputed a national city account on my Equifax twice, and after the second dispute, NC updated the account history to show that I had indeed paid it off, but listed the status as 120+ days late.  My score dropped like a rock.  After I got that cleared up, it shot back up.
 
And if your utilization was already low, would making it even lower by virtue of increasing limits help much?  I'm not so sure.  I know when I went from 75% to under 50%, my Tu score jumped 15 points.  Perhaps the magic numbers are 50%, 30% and 10%...but I dunno.  There must be something built into the formula around that ballpark, though.
 
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Re: FICO Causes and Effects (What Happened, and How Did it Affect Your FICO?)



And if your utilization was already low, would making it even lower by virtue of increasing limits help much?  I'm not so sure.  I know when I went from 75% to under 50%, my Tu score jumped 15 points.  Perhaps the magic numbers are 50%, 30% and 10%...but I dunno.  There must be something built into the formula around that ballpark, though.
 



At other places in the forums it talks about the ideal utilization range being between 1 and 9% - this range results in the highest score.  Also I've read that your score will go down once you pass the 25% rate, again at 50% and then a pretty significant drop at 75%... and back up in the opposite direction of course. 
 
 
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Any Thoughts????
 
I just payed off my car loan ($11,342) and my credit score went down 11 points!!!!
 
Why
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Can't Wait To Hear

I had two items removed from my TU credit report.  A collection and a CC account of my ex-wives that had a $5000 limit and a $5006 balance.  Guess what happened to my TU based FICO score?  Go ahead guess..
 
It went DOWN 14 points.
 
I'd love to hear somebody make sense out of that.
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andyaycw
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I've heard that an account is still considered "new" until it has reached one year.

Differences in FICO scores from 11 months to 12 months on my Citi cards.

TU: 708 to 719
EQ: 726 to 738
EX: 715 to 735

Starting Score: EQ 773, TU 766
Current Score (2/25/2017): EX 813, EQ 823, TU 818
Goal Score: 800


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RobertEG
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Re: FICO Causes and Effects (What Happened, and How Did it Affect Your FICO?)

As a contribution to this thread, I add my own Forest Gump story, which is probably stupider than most, but stupid is as stupid does.  Just 7 months ago, I first became aware of this thing called a “credit score,” and what it meant, and I gained my awareness through daily readings of this wonderful forum.

I wont belabor my history with too many details, but the salient facts are as follows. I approached the later part of 2005, after 26 years of flawless credit history, including numerous credit cards, car loans, and first and second mortgage loans, with not a single late payment of any kind, with a divorce proceeding.  I did not even know or care what a FICO was,  Gone from the former marital abode, and involved in divorce proceedings, I let three consecutive payments slip on one of my credit cards.  Even though my combined % util on those cards had risen to 83%, it did not phase me in the least, since I had not exceeded my credit limit on any card, and would simply catch up when the old marital abode was sold, and divorce was final.  Stupid me.

But then, aha, I stumbled into the myFico forum, and for the first time realized the damage I had done!

In December 2005, I looked up my FICO score for the first time in my 58 years of life.  Now at Fico 599.  They told we that was not very good.  My three stupid prior late payments were now costing me about 100 of the 298 points (35%) assessed for payment history.  OK, I thought, just bring all payments up to paying the monthly min., and being current, no harm, no foul. Then learned that no harm, no foul has a seven year statute of Fico limitations.  Hmmm…But looking at myFico further, I realized that I now had no installment loans, so my type credit mix, which is 85 FICO points (10%) was now gone.   I had only credit cards, with no mortgage or installment loans.  My high 83% util was putting me in the position of losing most of the 256 (30% weight) points assessed under FICO.

So my novice kneejerk reaction was to just apply for a couple of more credit cards, increase my % util, and all would improve.  Wrong!  While I received two new cards, each cost me a hit in this strange category of “new credit iinquiries,” which would now stick with me like glue for another 12 months, at approx 10pts +  per hit. .   So myFico took another hit, but my knowledge increased. And the two cards I received had credit limits that would not even pay off my increased monthly beer bills!!!!

So here are the actions I took.  It has worked for me, but maybe only because I AM WAS SO NAÏVE IN THE BEGINNING  of this Fico game we play!  I noticed a “collection account” on my credit report, from someone called “Incovision,”for a medical bill of which I had absolutely no knowledge.  Credit reports can be kinda neat in seeing the predators who make claims.  I challenged their claim, and it disappeared two months later.  Fico bump.  I then contacted the credit card company to which I owed the most, and they granted me an installment loan at an interest rate of half that I was paying on my credit card.  I immediately used that to pay off over half of my existing credit card debt.  At the same time, it gave me an installment loan that improved my “type credit” mix in this 10%, 85 point scoring category that I had never heard of before.

I became addicted to the “try”.  Immediately therafter, I contacted the other credit card company where I had the “three consec.” lates (I had cancelled their card after paying them in full back in 2005), and told them that I would be willing to return as their customer if they agreed to reinstall this card, and to erase those “three consec” lates from my credit report.  Much to my shock, they agreed!!!!  Prior baddies went away, and credit limit went up.
I also have also, and probably most importantly, at least as it pertains to my credit score, given up many of my wild and costly orgies of self-indulgance and pumped all spare funds into paying down accounts, and not paying-up my vices…. My credit card % util is now at 14%,  Sad but necessary sacrifice in the Fico game….. but as any Fico-holic brethren know, paying off debt is the surest way to increase Fico.

That has been my sojourn from a FICO 599 to a FICO 723 in about 7 months. Due primarily from what I have learned on this wonderful site, which has opened my eyes on how to play the credit game!!!!  Knowing the name of the game, whatever one’s situation is, is the only way you can play the game.

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Re: FICO Causes and Effects (What Happened, and How Did it Affect Your FICO?)

RobertEG:
 
Fabulous post!
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Anonymous
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Re: FICO Causes and Effects (What Happened, and How Did it Affect Your FICO?)

We had a BK in 2003 and were able to buy a house shortly after discharge. We sold the house for a decent profit and paid off our credit card and a couple vehicle loans. The credit bureaus show the house and cars paid off, but it really didn't improve our credit score that much - maybe 15 points. We are really discouraged.

We recently bought and financed an older RV.  Don't freak out about our post-BK spending - it's not for fun, we live in it.  We want to trade it in for a larger, more livable RV and want to get our scores as high as possible to get a better rate.

Our is score is only about 20 points higher than when we bought the house 3 years ago. The car debts were only a year old, but we thought paying them off would reverse any negative associated with them.  Any ideas?   

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Anonymous
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Re: FICO Causes and Effects (What Happened, and How Did it Affect Your FICO?)

Portfolio Recovery, a manure-eating odious JDB, bought and reported an old debt to the CRAs. The debt is for $275, it is past SOL, it is within months of falling off my CR. Portfolio reported falsely & illegally that I made a 'recent payment' of $ 5.00.
 
EQ dropped 16 pts.  From 679 to 663.
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