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FICO due to no mortgage and credit card only debt

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Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: FICO due to no mortgage and credit card only debt


@pizzadude wrote:

@Patient957 wrote:

Credit score is only one factor used by the lenders to set interest rate.  Lenders can and do use your complete financial picture in their underwriting decisions, including credit score, credit report, income, and in many cases assets.

 


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Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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Varsity_Lu
Valued Contributor

Re: FICO due to no mortgage and credit card only debt


@FICOdawg wrote:

There are those above in this thread who imply that the FICO score is a super algorithm that shall not be questioned and that it correctly/accurately determines a consumers credit risk.    


I don't think anyone here has even remotely implied this except you. You've created a straw man. 

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FICOdawg
Frequent Contributor

Re: FICO due to no mortgage and credit card only debt

Take you 2 minutes of scrolling to read how the almighty FICO algorithm is correct and my opinion of it is essentially blasphemy.

 

 

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TU: 773
EX: 767
EQ: 772
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Varsity_Lu
Valued Contributor

Re: FICO due to no mortgage and credit card only debt


@FICOdawg wrote:

Take you 2 minutes of scrolling to read how the almighty FICO algorithm is correct and my opinion of it is essentially blasphemy.


No, but it's clear you don't understand what FICO is and what it isn't. Nearly every post has tried to help you with that. Instead, you just get ticked off that your half-million dollar paid off house isn't part of the FICO equation. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Is it perfect? No. But you will do much better with this if you just accept what you can't control and work on what you can.

 

I'm glad to see your score go up as your utilization rate decreases. That is exactly what everyone here suggested and it's working. Keep it up and you'll hit 800 or higher soon.

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FICOdawg
Frequent Contributor

Re: FICO due to no mortgage and credit card only debt

Your kinda missing the point.     FICO doesn't do what you think it does either.....

 

My bank literally sent out an email article about NOT paying off a car loan due to the potential impact to your credit score.     The system rewards debt.


It's obvious paying the credit card down would raise my score.    But that's cherry picking the many points made elsewhere in this thread.

I paid off over $10k of my CC in one shot and score went from 714 to the current 732.

 

i expect to be back over 750 in another two months.

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FICO8 scores 7/19/25
TU: 773
EX: 767
EQ: 772
1/12 & 0/24
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FICOdawg
Frequent Contributor

Re: FICO due to no mortgage and credit card only debt

More data points.   I'm now at a 752 EX FICO8.   Still waiting for about $2700 that didn't update yet after the one time payment.    

Goal is 800+ as excellent credit gets me best rate for boat loan.

 

Chase Marriott (18.4k CL) --> PIF

Paypal Credit Card ($6k CL) --> PIF

Chase United (25.5 CL) --> $19.4. (will be below $4.5k by Deb 31 and PIF in Jan/Feb) as that gets me below 9% aggregate.

How many points will I gain once below 9% and 3%?   When would be recommended time to call Chase and get CLI?     Was thinking after it's below 30% to ask?   Thoughts?       

 

One car/installment loan that will be below 89% in a couple months.   Not sure how much that will gain me.

 

By December my 12 month new account penalty will drop off and give me back the 25 points I lost.   

 

My report says 17 accounts, 4 open.    No real estate debt.     The loan is new from December, Paypal was 2020, Chase Cards are 2008 and 2009.      My Daughters student loan (PIF was 2011) and I have an old CC that is now closed but still shows and has an open date of 1992.    Without paying for full reports (will do in December) average age of accounts has to be respectable as a mortgages from 2011/2013/2018 and a refi in 2021 that are all PIF.

 

Seems like between no HPs, loan <89%, no new accounts, and the aggregate drop it should get me 800.    Obviously and CLI will just help. Thoughts?

 

The fact I have 2 bank cards and a Paypal card I assume could hurt not all being bank cards.  A couple months after getting boat loan I'll add a proper bank couple cards to the mix and take advantage of miles/points bonuses.   Not much I can do to change this in the near-term.

 

Had I accepted CLI over the years none of this would have been an issue......    lesson learned.  Didn't need it but also didn't realize how much utilization dings the FICO score.

 

FICO8 scores 7/19/25
TU: 773
EX: 767
EQ: 772
1/12 & 0/24
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FICOdawg
Frequent Contributor

Re: FICO due to no mortgage and credit card only debt

 Data points.     I made post already but seems to have disappered.    Goal:   800 FICO for boat loan and they use Experian when pulling credit.

 

EX FICO8 is 752 as of today.    It's not updated to reflect lower balance yet but so be it.

 

One installment loan opend in December.   I expect to gain back the 25 points this December.   That gets me half the points I need

Loan will be below 89% in another month or two.    How many points will I get?   

There will be no more hard pulls before I apply for boat loan.

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Cards:

Paypal Credit Card (6k CL) --> PIF & no balance

Chase Marriott (18.4k CL) --> PIF & no balance

Chase United (25.5k CL) --> 19.8k balance (once recent payment updates) 

Will have this paid to around $4k by December 31 which will have me below 9% aggregrate and <19% individual.

My thought is after my aggregate gets below 29% to call and ask for CLI.    Should I ask for it on the PIF card or on the United Card?     

 

Other:

My free EX acct shows 17 accounts, 4 open.    Many of these accounts are 10+ years old with and old CC (now closed) showing 1992.    My 2 Chase cards were open prior to 2010.....   Will pull all three reports in December once I have remaining card paid way down.

 

Will be hitting several thresholds for aggregate and individual cards over second half of year.   The ultimate question is will the mix get me 800.   I guess we will find out Smiley Tongue

FICO8 scores 7/19/25
TU: 773
EX: 767
EQ: 772
1/12 & 0/24
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Varsity_Lu
Valued Contributor

Re: FICO due to no mortgage and credit card only debt


@FICOdawg wrote:

 

Will be hitting several thresholds for aggregate and individual cards over second half of year.   The ultimate question is will the mix get me 800.   I guess we will find out Smiley Tongue


You'll get over 800 soon for sure. Your utilization has been the problem and it looks like you are making great progress there. I'm over 800 with zero loans and just a few credit cards. It can be done.

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FICOdawg
Frequent Contributor

Re: FICO due to no mortgage and credit card only debt

I need figure out best timing to call Chase for a CLI.      Even only 5 or 10k bump would help speed up the utilisation improvement.

 

Had the joy of writing a large check to the IRS being single filer status now so that slowed down the pace of paying off this last card.       

FICO8 scores 7/19/25
TU: 773
EX: 767
EQ: 772
1/12 & 0/24
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FicoMike0
Senior Contributor

Re: FICO due to no mortgage and credit card only debt

@FICOdawg

You should get an award for thread length! 

As to your scores, if you have the PayPal MasterCard issued by synch, that should count as a bank card. Looks like you're doing azeo. Once you get utilizations under 9%/29% you should see improvement. Getting to 12 months aoya and 0/12 hps is a big push too.

We're all pulling for you.

 

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