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azguy13
Senior Contributor

Re: FICO score is unreliable


@myjourney wrote:

@azguy13 wrote:

@arungupta2014 wrote:

After reading the second link, it seems that there is no "true" FICO score as there are many ways of calculating the FICO score and there is no telling which score a given lender would use. Is this understanding correct?

 


Yes you are correct. There are a significantly large number of FICO scoring models depending on what type of credit you are applying for and the preference of the lender. Also. Many banks such as Chase heavily rely on internal scoring models. 

 

It can be frustrating but the general idea of raising your scores applies to all models (paying on time, UTL, baddies) it is just weighed different per model.


With the recent launch of Fico 09 

51 Fico scoring models out thereSmiley Sad


Lucky us. Smiley Very Happy

Message 11 of 28
Revelate
Moderator Emeritus

Re: FICO score is unreliable


@myjourney wrote:

@azguy13 wrote:

@arungupta2014 wrote:

After reading the second link, it seems that there is no "true" FICO score as there are many ways of calculating the FICO score and there is no telling which score a given lender would use. Is this understanding correct?

 


Yes you are correct. There are a significantly large number of FICO scoring models depending on what type of credit you are applying for and the preference of the lender. Also. Many banks such as Chase heavily rely on internal scoring models. 

 

It can be frustrating but the general idea of raising your scores applies to all models (paying on time, UTL, baddies) it is just weighed different per model.


With the recent launch of Fico 09 

51 Fico scoring models out thereSmiley Sad


Where are you getting that number from?  I'm too lazy too count Smiley Happy.

 

 




        
Message 12 of 28
myjourney
Super Contributor

Re: FICO score is unreliable


@Revelate wrote:

@myjourney wrote:

@azguy13 wrote:

@arungupta2014 wrote:

After reading the second link, it seems that there is no "true" FICO score as there are many ways of calculating the FICO score and there is no telling which score a given lender would use. Is this understanding correct?

 


Yes you are correct. There are a significantly large number of FICO scoring models depending on what type of credit you are applying for and the preference of the lender. Also. Many banks such as Chase heavily rely on internal scoring models. 

 

It can be frustrating but the general idea of raising your scores applies to all models (paying on time, UTL, baddies) it is just weighed different per model.


With the recent launch of Fico 09 

51 Fico scoring models out thereSmiley Sad


Where are you getting that number from?  I'm too lazy too count Smiley Happy.

 

 


Lol

Hi ya Rev,

Up until recently there were 49 models as of 2012

Now with the addition of the newest Fico 08 model and Fico 09.....

51 total 

 

There's a list of each somewhere but I'm to lazy to go find it again Lol

 

Edit could be more Lol

Before you app think...
Have you done your research of the CC?
Does it fit your spending?
Do you have a plan for the bonus w/o going into debt?
Can you afford the AF?
Do you know the cards benefits? Is it worth the HP?
Message 13 of 28
Revelate
Moderator Emeritus

Re: FICO score is unreliable

Pretty certain it doesn't track like that Smiley Happy.

 

I'm fairly confident it's counting individual options in a given version vis a vis FICO 8 on Experian has the standard Risk model, Bankcard and Auto industry options... and perhaps a mortgage one though I don't see that on one of their published disclosures but as a sample from EX and I know there's similar from TU published, not certain on EQ.

 

Experian Models:

FICO 8 models (2009)
Experian/FICO® Risk Model v8
Experian/FICO® Bankcard Risk Model v8
Experian/FICO® Auto Risk Model v8

Previous FICO Score models (2005)
Experian/FICO® Risk Model v3
Experian/FICO® Bankcard Risk Model v3
Experian/FICO® Auto Risk Model v3
Experian/FICO® Personal Finance Risk Model v3
Experian/FICO® Installment Risk Model v3

FICO Score models (1999)
Experian/FICO® Risk Model v2
Experian/FICO® Bankcard Risk Model v2
Experian/FICO® Auto Risk Model v2
Experian/FICO® Personal Finance Risk Model v2
Experian/FICO® Installment Risk Model v2

Experian/FICO® Bankruptcy Score

Experian/FICO® Advanced Risk Score 2.0

Experian/FICO® Advanced Risk Score 1.0




        
Message 14 of 28
myjourney
Super Contributor

Re: FICO score is unreliable


@Revelate wrote:

Pretty certain it doesn't track like that Smiley Happy.

 

I'm fairly confident it's counting individual options in a given version vis a vis FICO 8 on Experian has the standard Risk model, Bankcard and Auto industry options... and perhaps a mortgage one though I don't see that on one of their published disclosures but as a sample from EX and I know there's similar from TU published, not certain on EQ.

 

Experian Models:

FICO 8 models (2009)
Experian/FICO® Risk Model v8
Experian/FICO® Bankcard Risk Model v8
Experian/FICO® Auto Risk Model v8

Previous FICO Score models (2005)
Experian/FICO® Risk Model v3
Experian/FICO® Bankcard Risk Model v3
Experian/FICO® Auto Risk Model v3
Experian/FICO® Personal Finance Risk Model v3
Experian/FICO® Installment Risk Model v3

FICO Score models (1999)
Experian/FICO® Risk Model v2
Experian/FICO® Bankcard Risk Model v2
Experian/FICO® Auto Risk Model v2
Experian/FICO® Personal Finance Risk Model v2
Experian/FICO® Installment Risk Model v2

Experian/FICO® Bankruptcy Score

Experian/FICO® Advanced Risk Score 2.0

Experian/FICO® Advanced Risk Score 1.0


Experian FICO Scores

  • Experian, FICO Risk Model V2^
  • Experian FICO Risk Model V2 – Installment Loan
  • Experian, FICO Risk Model V2 – Bankcard
  • Experian, FICO Risk Model V2 – Auto
  • Experian, FICO Risk Model V2 –  Personal Finance
  • Experian, FICO Risk Model V3*
  • Experian, FICO Risk Model V3 – Auto
  • Experian, FICO Risk Model V3 – Personal Finance
  • Experian, FICO Risk Model V3 – Installment Loan
  • Experian, FICO Risk Model V3 – Bankcard
  • Experian, FICO Risk Model 08^
  • Experian, FICO Risk Model 08 – Auto
  • Experian, FICO Risk Model 08 – Bankcard
  • Experian, FICO Risk Model 08 - Mortgage

Experian NextGen Scores

  • Experian/FICO Advanced Risk Score 1.0
  • Experian/FICO Advanced Risk Score 2.0

TransUnion FICO Scores

  • FICO Risk Score, Classic 98*
  • FICO Risk Score, Classic 98 Auto
  • FICO Risk Score, Classic 98 Personal Finance
  • FICO Risk Score, Classic 98 Installment Loan
  • FICO Risk Score, Classic 98 Bankcard
  • FICO Risk Score, Classic 04^
  • FICO Risk Score, Classic 04 – Auto
  • FICO Risk Score, Classic 04 – Bankcard
  • FICO Risk Score, Classic 04 – Installment
  • FICO Risk Score, Classic 04 – Personal Finance
  • FICO Risk Score, Classic 08*
  • FICO Risk Score, Classic 08 Auto
  • FICO Risk Score, Classic 08 Bankcard
  • FICO Risk Score, Classic 08 Mortgage

TransUnion NextGen FICO Scores

  • FICO Risk Score NextGen
  • FICO Risk Score NextGen 03

Equifax FICO Scores

  • BEACON 96 – (phased out by Equifax in 2005)
  • BEACON 96 – Auto (phased out by Equifax in 2005)
  • BEACON 96 – Bankcard (phased out by Equifax in 2005)
  • BEACON 96 – Personal Finance (phased out by Equifax in 2005)
  • BEACON 96 – Installment (phased out by Equifax in 2005)
  • BEACON 5.0*
  • BEACON 5.0 – Mortgage
  • BEACON 5.0 – Auto
  • BEACON 5.0 – Bankcard
  • BEACON 5.0 – Installment
  • BEACON 5.0 – Personal Finance
  • BEACON 09*
  • BEACON 09 Mortgage
  • BEACON 09 Bankcard
  • BEACON 09 Auto

Equifax NextGen FICO Scores

  • Pinnacle 1.0
  • Pinnacle 2.0
Before you app think...
Have you done your research of the CC?
Does it fit your spending?
Do you have a plan for the bonus w/o going into debt?
Can you afford the AF?
Do you know the cards benefits? Is it worth the HP?
Message 15 of 28
Revelate
Moderator Emeritus

Re: FICO score is unreliable

If we accept that list as reference (and I think it's close based on what I know, looks to be accurate for both EX / TU if we discount the old TU '95 model they still list in their disclosures which I think is safe to do), that count is explicitly 49.

 

Add FICO 9 base and that takes us to 50, then plus industry options eventually released will be pushed past that, and we'd have to retire out the old ones if / when they get phased out. 




        
Message 16 of 28
user5387
Valued Contributor

Re: FICO score is unreliable


@arungupta2014 wrote:

After reading the second link, it seems that there is no "true" FICO score as there are many ways of calculating the FICO score and there is no telling which score a given lender would use. Is this understanding correct?

 


A large variety of scoring models are used to make lending decisions, and it's futile to embark on a search for "The One True Score".

 

Message 17 of 28
myjourney
Super Contributor

Re: FICO score is unreliable


@Revelate wrote:

If we accept that list as reference (and I think it's close based on what I know), that count is explicitly 49.

 

Add FICO 9 base and that takes us to 50, then plus industry options eventually released will be pushed past that.


Lol agreed it could be even more Revelate the entire list makes me dizzy. 

And that was just a quick search I've seen a more detailed list but no way I'm searching for it ROFLOL 

I think the last time a searched for it, it took me a hour to find. Um nope not me Smiley LOL

Before you app think...
Have you done your research of the CC?
Does it fit your spending?
Do you have a plan for the bonus w/o going into debt?
Can you afford the AF?
Do you know the cards benefits? Is it worth the HP?
Message 18 of 28
myjourney
Super Contributor

Re: FICO score is unreliable


@user5387 wrote:

@arungupta2014 wrote:

After reading the second link, it seems that there is no "true" FICO score as there are many ways of calculating the FICO score and there is no telling which score a given lender would use. Is this understanding correct?

 


A large variety of scoring models are used to make lending decisions, and it's futile to embark on a search for "The One True Score".

 


Oh Oh so true way to many 

Before you app think...
Have you done your research of the CC?
Does it fit your spending?
Do you have a plan for the bonus w/o going into debt?
Can you afford the AF?
Do you know the cards benefits? Is it worth the HP?
Message 19 of 28
arungupta2014
New Member

Re: FICO score is unreliable

Holy cow, 51 FICO models....!!!  I give up. To everyone who responded and clarified, I sincerely thank. I will just continue doing what I do to protect my credit and leave the credit decision to the powers be. This discussion was very enlightening and educating.

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