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pretty much followed the recommendations on BK forum to rebuild, low utilization, cap1 secured, cap1 non-secured, discover non-secured and a self loan (one month+ in). TU score is 711 and Equifax is 731 however Experian is 667? Why the dramatic diff? My credit report has the ch7 discharged just about two years ago plus late payment accounts (mortgage and cc) closed in 2017/18. I noticed Experian is FICO Score 8 and the other are Vantage 3.0. also a different question..when logging to my Discover account my free monthly credit score is at 637 based on TU data yet when logging in to TU my score is 711?!
Vantage is not FICO.. thats part of the reason why the big difference....
They use different metrics to calculate a score... There are a few places that use Vantage but most do NOT......
Know its not what you want to hear
Experian Fico 8 is a FICO score....
Also Discover logging in is a FICO TU score .....
So from what you just said...
Experian Fico 8 667, TU Fico 8 637,
So your FICO scores are in the 630s to 660s ..
Most of these scores direct from the CRA are Vantage unless otherwise stated... If its a "free FICO" its usually only once a month...
That Self Lender loan will help but you have to make a few payments for a bigger impact... give it a few payments/months.. (presuming this is your only loan) ..Yes you have to pay down the loan a bit before it really affects your score ...
THe lates should start to sting less with age... but lates over 60 days will sting more and longer.... Feel like the lates may still be suppressing your scores significently...
Others will hopefully chime in with more details.. but your partially confused because your comparing apples and oranges.... id add other difficulties like there are different flavors of FICO scores as well but you really cant compare Vantage to FICO but you have two known sources for Fico 8 scores... (No i havent found a free one for EQ).....
-J
ok thanks beginning to make sense now and i thought i was in good shape. here a snapshot of my Discover TU FICO 8 history (Discover account opened in April), i would have expected a higer score by now. the negatives on my report should be a ch 7 discharged October 2018 and late (30-60) payments for mortgage and cc aacounts from 2017/2018.
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Still would not be surprised to see a small increase even next month... But that 60 day late hurts more than the 30 days... There also is a truth to aging of lates... Thing is VS scores are a bit more volitile and "current credit event" oriented (This is an opinion)... So I think the VS scores are telling your on the right track... but i wouldnt rely on them to make decisions on apping or how far along you are in the rebuild...
Joltdude has given you some great insights to credit scoring!
I'll jump on the band wagon too. Vantage scores are not used by the great, great majority of lenders. Vantage scores can however be a good resource for tracking things that pop up or change on your credit reports because a lot of them are updated weekly. Just don't trust their scoring at all.
Make sure you are using real FICO scores when you are looking for an actual score like your Discover card is providing for you.
IMHO you are on the right track with your rebuilding. Just add a couple of CCs once your new CCs turn a year old. You want to overwhelm your bad marks with good marks for the best results.
Good luck!
@joltdude wrote:Thing is VS scores are a bit more volitile and "current credit event" oriented (This is an opinion)...
That's my experience too.
Oddly enough VS scores are sometimes used for renting..... As well as (some) Synch cards....
-J
ok thanks for the info. was hoping to apply for a mortgage within a few months, once i'm two years out my ch 7 discharge (FHA guidelines).
based on the true FICO scoring not sure what to expect.
Id try to see if theres anything else you can do about your baddies... Know Goodwill letters are not the most reliable things, and you will likely need to be persistant and not take no for an answer... Id make a post telling the details .. folks need more info to guide you better... Open/Closed tradelines, when/who/what type on the lates... any other adverse things.... Sometimes its all a matter of time unfortunately, but if you can get rid of some lates it might nudge some movement..
You can do this....
-J
@am wrote:ok thanks for the info. was hoping to apply for a mortgage within a few months, once i'm two years out my ch 7 discharge (FHA guidelines).
based on the true FICO scoring not sure what to expect.
The scores used for mortgages are also fico scores, but complete different versions of fico. The Fico 5, 4, and 2 scores.
You would need to pull those to know where you really stand to make a game plan to prep for a mortgage app.
The EX app should list at least their mortgage score, if you want an idea of what at least that one score is.