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Fico 8 5point decrease

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Anonymous
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Re: Fico 8 5point decrease


@Anonymous wrote:

Then I lost 5 points when chase reported a higher balance bringing my aggregate utilization from 11 to 15%. Some thought it had to do with # of cards reporting a balance but 4/6 reported balance in January & February.so that couldn’t have been it. I then  gained 2 points back on February 15 when an inquiry became unscoreable. ( 677-> 679). 

 

Now today when PNC reported lower balance... my utilization went from 15 to 14% and I’m up 4 points... 683 now. 

 

No other change in regards to account age, negatives or inquires. 

 

I know everyone talks about 8.9% 28.9% etc etc but this is twice now I’ve seen changes way around outside those numbers. This one and one other time when I went from 6 to 4% 


Oh this is really good data for a hypothesis I have about utilization intervals.

 

The 4% utilization threshold I see on my scorecard (EX 8 +3 when at/or under) may be there at the higher intervals:

[10, 19], so [10,14] and (14,19].  (Parentheses exclusive, Brackets inclusive.)

 

What is your current utilization as you calculate it, using (total balances / total limits)? If it's less than or equal to 0.14 that would be some strong supporting evidence.

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Remedios
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Re: Fico 8 5point decrease

I lose a single cute point on EX when aggregate goes from 4% to 5%.

That's with less than 50% of cards reporting, all under 29%. 

 

No change from 5% to 9%. A few additional points if aggregate is between 9% and 15%, roughly around 7 points.

Unsure what happens after that, never reported more than that. 

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Anonymous
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Re: Fico 8 5point decrease

January 31-Feb 15 

 

Chase $1787.31 / $6900

PNC. $1486.65 / $12500

credit one $8.25/$300

QS $0 / $600

QS1 $39/$2250

Discover $1651.48/$11500

 

aggregate 14.6% rounded up to 15% on the report. 

 

 

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Anonymous
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Re: Fico 8 5point decrease

Between yesterday and today the only other change from the above mentioned was the PNC going to $1293.27 

 

current aggregste is 14.03% 

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Anonymous
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Re: Fico 8 5point decrease


@Anonymous wrote:

January 31-Feb 15 

 

Chase $1787.31 / $6900

PNC. $1486.65 / $12500

credit one $8.25/$300

QS $0 / $600

QS1 $39/$2250

Discover $1651.48/$11500

 

aggregate 14.6% rounded up to 15% on the report. 

That would be 15% for FICO scoring as well. The only time they mismatch is when utilization is in some (x.0, x.5) interval - the front-ends round down while FICO is taking the ceiling (x.0 +1) and using whole numbers for the actual comparison.

 

Still might be something to that 5% midway point. I just saw that on EX 2 with a 8% to 5% aggregate change. (7.42 to 4.90 actual.)

 

EDIT TO ADD: Just saw that 14.03 - also 15% anyway.

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Anonymous
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Re: Fico 8 5point decrease

So this means I got a random 4 point increase from yesterday to today?

 

My Pnc card went from 11.89 to 10.03% but I’m sure that’s not anything 

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Anonymous
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Re: Fico 8 5point decrease


@Anonymous wrote:

So this means I got a random 4 point increase from yesterday to today?

 

My Pnc card went from 11.89 to 10.03% but I’m sure that’s not anything 


No, I still think it's related to aggregate utilization since that's the only thing that changed.

 

You may have just identified a 15% threshold (at or below). Thanks for taking the time to post all of that and confirm the actual utilization!

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