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DU556
Regular Contributor

Fico score fell below 800 :(

My journey in the 800 fico score range only last about 2 weeks with Transunion. I applied for a Marriott Chase card and was approved for $13.5k. Today I get an alert from the Fico android app that transunion has detected a new account with balance of $237 and my points dropped by 27!! 

This sucks, I wonder how long it will be until i get back up there. 

Any tips for me?

 

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old score 810

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NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: Fico score fell below 800 :(

If the TU went to 810 and was only there for 2 weeks, that implies a fairly volatile score. What was the trigger to jump 11 or more points to get to the 810?

 

How consistently do your cards report balances? Did you go from 4 of 4 reporting anything to 1 of 4 reporting anything?

Oldest card age?

AAoA? How was AAoA affected by this new card, since it looks like you have only 4 prior?

Utilization and consistency of utilization percentage?

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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DU556
Regular Contributor

Re: Fico score fell below 800 :(

I have 6 cards in total now. My oldest is a discover card at 10 years as well as a JCP card that has been upgraded to a MasterCard recently. JCP upgraded me without me asking but in my CR it doesn't show as being 10yr old because of being purchased by other lenders.
On Nov 30 my score jumped 14 points avoiding to the app and under reasons i get 4 red circles saying "You have too few credit cards, too many accounts showing balances, you've recently looked for new credit, and you haven't established credit long enough."
This trigger was 2 days after i got approved for the chase card so i thought my points had increased because of the recent inquiry. This 14 point jump got me to 803 and a few days later got an additional 7 point jump.

This is the reason why I'm a little confused, i thought TransUnion had already detected the chase account but today's alert says a new account has been added to your report. I took a smaller hit with experian as they only took away 12 points.

I think my AAoA is 6 years, how do i know for sure?
Utilization... Not even 1% on a single card & overall.
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Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: Fico score fell below 800 :(


@DU556 wrote:
I have 6 cards in total now. My oldest is a discover card at 10 years as well as a JCP card that has been upgraded to a MasterCard recently. JCP upgraded me without me asking but in my CR it doesn't show as being 10yr old because of being purchased by other lenders.
On Nov 30 my score jumped 14 points avoiding to the app and under reasons i get 4 red circles saying "You have too few credit cards, too many accounts showing balances, you've recently looked for new credit, and you haven't established credit long enough."
This trigger was 2 days after i got approved for the chase card so i thought my points had increased because of the recent inquiry. This 14 point jump got me to 803 and a few days later got an additional 7 point jump.

This is the reason why I'm a little confused, i thought TransUnion had already detected the chase account but today's alert says a new account has been added to your report. I took a smaller hit with experian as they only took away 12 points.

I think my AAoA is 6 years, how do i know for sure?
Utilization... Not even 1% on a single card & overall.

I had a Best Buy card purchased by another lender. Net effect was a closed account with the original lender including associated payment history + a new account with the new lender - as a result, no payment history on this open account [no established credit and could be tagged as "recently looking for credit"]. The end result:

1) Total # accounts on file increased by one (new open replaced established open creating an open account with no payment history.+ established closed account.

2) Drop in AAoA due to the new open account.

 

You may have experienced a similar situation and that could have been a notification trigger. Now you added another new open account which drops your AAoA. I suspect the latest score shift is associated with the Chase card + inquiry.

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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DU556
Regular Contributor

Re: Fico score fell below 800 :(

I should have added more information about the JCP card. It was earlier this year or may be even late last year so i didn't mean recent like a few weeks ago or something. I also had my best buy card change lender like ^^^^^^^ you mentioned. I just hope I'm able get back up to 800 within 4 months. This really is a roller coastal game, isn't it?
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lg8302ch
Senior Contributor

Re: Fico score fell below 800 :(

tja... the dropp in AAoA is an enemy for 800+ scores.. same for me ...800 score possible with AAoA of 6+ years on my profile but no longer in reach with less than 4 years  so keep gardening and it will get you back up Smiley Happy ... on the bright side 760+  Fico scores will not make any difference in real life ..lol.. rather have nice new cards than 800+ Fico if I have to choose !

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DU556
Regular Contributor

Re: Fico score fell below 800 :(

Just got another alert this morning, Equifax dropped my points by 6 points because "A new account has been added to your credit report".

I guess some CB don't mind new accounts like others. 

 

Also, on Nov 29, Experian dropped my points by 7 because "An account listed on your report has been updated". The update was Discover  doubling the limit to a little over $10k, I had no idea a CLI would drop my points even though the balance did not increase at all.  

 

These past 2-3 weeks have been to harsh on my scores. Time. To. Enter. The. Garden!!

 

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DU556
Regular Contributor

Re: Fico score fell below 800 :(

How do you get your sig cards to show info when hovering over them?

 

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Gunnar419
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Re: Fico score fell below 800 :(


@DU556 wrote:

My journey in the 800 fico score range only last about 2 weeks with Transunion. I applied for a Marriott Chase card and was approved for $13.5k. Today I get an alert from the Fico android app that transunion has detected a new account with balance of $237 and my points dropped by 27!! 

This sucks, I wonder how long it will be until i get back up there. 

Any tips for me?

 

no other changes

 

old score 810


DU -- I'm sorry that happened to you! But since it's just a new account thing, you'll get back up there soon. I don't know when of course, but at least it's not something awful like a collection or even an accidental late payment!

 

My scores are also just a little above 800 and I'd feel ridiculously bad if even one of them dropped into the 790s. People who are still struggling up the FICO ladder would think we're worrying over nothing, but wait until they get here. They'll want to preserve those 800s, too, no matter how many times somebody around here says, "Once you reach 760, nothing above that really matters."

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NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: Fico score fell below 800 :(


@DU556 wrote:

Just got another alert this morning, Equifax dropped my points by 6 points because "A new account has been added to your credit report".

I guess some CB don't mind new accounts like others. 

 

Also, on Nov 29, Experian dropped my points by 7 because "An account listed on your report has been updated". The update was Discover  doubling the limit to a little over $10k, I had no idea a CLI would drop my points even though the balance did not increase at all.  

 

These past 2-3 weeks have been to harsh on my scores. Time. To. Enter. The. Garden!!

 


The FICO 850 score is representative of "No Risk of Default". In order to get to 850, one must pay off nearly all debt, keep accounts stable, and do as little as possible to raise the risk of default.

 

From the comments here, it seems that once you go over 800, getting closer to that "no risk of default" score of 850, and if the file is marginally getting 800 due to AAoA and such, that any new shocks to the calculation, such as taking on two new credit cards in a year (even if one is not really new to you), looks like Risk Of Default indicators to the score.

 

So you can either be happy at being above 760 and go for the cards that you want, or stop apping and let the cards age to keep inching up to and then beyond 800. For the next XX number of years it takes to get to 800. Utilization is already under control for the OP, so at this point, no apps and age are the ONLY things that will allow the score to continue to rise.

 

For me, I'd rather just have a high 700's score and get the bonus earnings from new card apps, strategically applied for.

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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