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Getting Credit History Killed my Score

My credit score went from about 730 to 689 in about a year.  The only thing that has changed is that I opened 2 credit cards to help build my credit history.  I have no derogatory marks and I pay my bills on time 100% of the time.  The only things that have changed is my average age of credit went from 65 months to 41 months and my credit card utilzation went up as well since i didn't not have a credit card before.  It seems odd that I have to hurt my credit score in order to get some credit history.  How long will it take to build my credit back up to the 700's?

 

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Anonymous
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Re: Getting Credit History Killed my Score

Hi dopest,

 

Welcome!  Glad you're posting here!

 

If you didn't have any cc's before, you were wise to open one or two.  Opening the first CC typically pops up your FICO score by 20-30 points - give or take - if it's a bank or national CC.  So that was a wise move.

 

FICOwise, the general mantra is to have all credit cards but one reporting zero utilization (that would be only one card for you); with the remaining card reporting less than 9% utilization.  What you'll want to watch here is the balance reported to the CRA's - which is not necessarily the balance on your statement.  Most (not all) CC's report the balance as of your statement date to the CRA's.  If you share which cards you have, folks will chime in and tell you the reporting dates for those cards. 

 

FICO watches number of accounts reporting a balance, as well as utilization on each card, and overall utilization.  And utilization is a big player as far as FICO points are concerned. 

 

Do you know what your current utilization being reported to the CRA's is?

And it's also helpful to know where you are pulling your credit score from. 

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Anonymous
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Re: Getting Credit History Killed my Score

Thanks for information and the nice welcoming words.  

 

I have 2 credit cards.  A target card and a capital one visa card.  Unfortunately because I didn't have credit card history the limit on the capital one is $750  ( I am going to try to get that increased) . I am unsure of the limit on the Target card but I will find out.  I thought paying in full every month would keep the utilization down but that doesn't seem to be the case.  My CC utilization is 44% which isn't hard to do on a card with a $750 balance if they report at some unknown day.  Does anyone know when Target and Capital one report their utilization numbers?  

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Anonymous
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Re: Getting Credit History Killed my Score

Great!

 

So, Target has an unknown CL and balance.  That will show up on your credit report if you've pulled one recently.

And your Cap One has a CL of 750; with a balance of ?

 

Is the 44% utilization your overall, or the individual utilization on the Cap One?  If it's just the Cap One, I think that would be a balance of $330 on $750 CL.

 

And, please let us know where you're pulling your credit scores from - that will help a lot.

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Anonymous
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Re: Getting Credit History Killed my Score

It is overall utilization The balance for the Capital One was about $660 which I just paid off So it should be 0 once hte payment is processed. Target has a 0 balance at the moment.  I'm getting the info from creditkarma which I think is just a guesstimate of transunion.

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Anonymous
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Re: Getting Credit History Killed my Score

Super!  Great job on paying down that balance.  You'll want to have one of those cards reporting a less than 9% but greater than zero balance for best FICO scores.

 

I would never worry about a score on creditkarma.  When creditkarma goes up, your FICO may go up or stay the same or go down.  When creditkarma goes down, your FICO may go up or stay the same or go down.  There's no correlation.  They can be as much as 100 points off and they can move in any direction.  And I would most definitely ignore the advice and the credit reportcards on creditkarma  - following FAKO advice from any source can, and will, damage your FICO scores.

 

I would recommend you pull a score here, so you know where your real FICO score is.  It also tells you what is helping and hurting your FICO score (extremely helpful), and has a simulator that helps you know how different actions may impact your score. 

 

Overall utilization of 44% is enough to cause some serious FICO movement - and individual utilization of 88% on that Cap One is a score hit as well.  it'll be interesting to see how your real FICO score adjusts to a lower (but not zero) utilization.

 

I don't recall hearing anything different about Cap One or Target reporting - although folks might chime in on that.  I would assume that they follow the common pattern of reporting your balance on the statement date.  So just pay attention to what your balance is on that day, keep it below 9% on one card and at 0 on the other.  You'll be in good shape!

 

So, in the end, it is not obtaining two cards that has "killed your score".   It is a combination of the following:

Using a FAKO score (they do not correlate with FICO's in range, number, or movement) - they just cause folks grief & stress.  Smiley Sad

Opening two new CC's (you gained significant points for the Cap One card; the AAoA coming below 5 may have caused you a slight ding)

Utilization is a powerful FICO score driver. (although, again, we simply don't know what your FICO scores are until you pull them). 

 

Checking your FICO scores and watching your utilization along with number of cards reporting a balance will help you sleep better!  Smiley Tongue

 

And congrats for paying your bills on time 100% of the time!

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MarineVietVet
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Re: Getting Credit History Killed my Score


@Anonymous wrote:

Thanks for information and the nice welcoming words.  

 

I have 2 credit cards.  A target card and a capital one visa card.  Unfortunately because I didn't have credit card history the limit on the capital one is $750  ( I am going to try to get that increased) . I am unsure of the limit on the Target card but I will find out.  I thought paying in full every month would keep the utilization down but that doesn't seem to be the case.  My CC utilization is 44% which isn't hard to do on a card with a $750 balance if they report at some unknown day.  Does anyone know when Target and Capital one report their utilization numbers?  


I will add that for most cards (including Cap 1; not sure about Target) the balance that is reported on the monthly statement is what is used to calculate utilization for that month so it is important to know what day of the month the card's statement comes out and make sure you get the balance down to the recommended <9% utilization several days before the statement posts. The <9% is what seems to work best for most people but you can play with the percentages over several months to find your particular "sweet spot".

 

You can use the card as much as you want during the month (making sure of course not to go over the limit) but watch that the balance is where you need it to be before statement time.

 

Did any of that make sense??  Smiley Happy

 

Edited for a typo.

 

 

 

From a BK years ago to:
EX - 3/11 pulled by lender- 835, EQ - 2/11-816, TU - 2/11-782

"Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem".

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Anonymous
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Re: Getting Credit History Killed my Score

Thanks for the advice everyone.  I'll make sure to draw the balance down a few days before the statement date.  Thanks

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GregB
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Re: Getting Credit History Killed my Score

The good news about CapOne is that they usually close the statement on the same day of the month. They also post the date of the next statement on the account details after you log on. SO, you always know what day the statement closes.

 

The bad news is that they take an extra day or two before they report to the CRAs. I think I'm beginning to see a pattern that they report the day after you can view the statement on their website. It seems to take some processing time before you can view the statement online and then some time before they send it to the CRAs. THEN, of course, you have the delay of several minutes for EX to update and several days to a week for EQ and TU to update.

 

Credit Karma has two different FAKOs. I suppose they give you some idea of an actual FICO but very, very, little idea.

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