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Nova5041
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Having Store Cards Necessary!!!

My question; is it necessary to have store cards to maximize your fico score? I know that loans and mortgages help to round out and maximize your scores, but was just curious if store cards are treated different than credit cards with computing fico scores?


BK 7 Discharged: 5/30/2018
Fico Scores after Discharge: Experian-552 TransUnion- 490 Equifax- 571
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Anonymous
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Re: Having Store Cards Necessary!!!

I don't have any but I would think store cards, gas cards are the same category as regular credit cards in terms of mix of credit but I could be wrong, anyone?

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Anonymous
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Re: Having Store Cards Necessary!!!

I am pretty sure the short answer is no, but I have wondered about that too.  A concrete way of asking that question might be this:

 

Is there anybody on the Forum that has no store cards of any kind, open or closed, and who neverthless has achieved a score above (say) 845?

 

Thom Thumb (with an 850) posts here a lot.  I wonder whether he has any score cards.

 

If I understand it right, the CRAs certainly give scoring models the ability to do that, in terms of giving accounts types and subtypes.  Thus a scoring model can see that a mortgage loan, a student loan, and an auto loan are all of the Installment type, but can also see that they are of those subtypes as well.  Thus a model can in principal give you extra points in the credit mix category for having mutliple subtypes of installment loans.

 

Similarly it's theoretically possible for a model to give you points for having two different subtypes of revolving accounts.

 

But does it?  That's your question.  I personally don't know.  For what it is worth I have obtained very high scores (844) with no store cards and a profile that is imperfect and some known ways, so if I am losing any points it must be only 1.  As a practical matter therefore I personally think one should only add a store card if you really see a massive advantage for that particular card -- e.g. if you see that you will be buy an enormous amount of stuff at Target over the next 10 years, then sure get the 5% cash back card (better than using your Citi Double Cash).

 

 

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Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: Having Store Cards Necessary!!!

I do not believe a store card is needed to achieve an 850 score. The cards are categorized the same as bank cards in both card count and aggregate utilization. There are published articles that speak to this question and it is discussed in Liz Weston's book. 

 

That being said, I have one open store card, from Best Buy, so I can't confirm [top score without one] but I can confirm [store cards are lumped together with bank cards for mix, card count and aggregate UT% in summary reports] based on personal experience. I also have an AMEX charge card - which is also included in the card count  but categorized differently in one of the CRA credit reports.

 

For Fico 08 - Mix is satisfied with one installment loan of any type (car, personal loan or mortgage) and revolving credit cards (tribal knowledge is that 3 or more cards satisfies this criteria).

 

I currently have 1 mortgage on file (open), 4 open revolving credit cards, 1 open charge card and 1 open store card. I also have 1 closed store card on file. 

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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Anonymous
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Re: Having Store Cards Necessary!!!

Thanks TT!  Very helpful. 

 

Useful also as a reminder to people that one can achieve a stratospheric score with comparatively few credit cards.  It's easy for people to think they need many when they in fact they only need very few to shoot to the top.  I had only three cards for a very long time and I was in the low 840s.

 

PS.  I loved the phrase tribal knowledge.  That will keep me smiling for the rest of the month.

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Anonymous
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Re: Having Store Cards Necessary!!!

I can confirm that you can reach 850 on Experian FICO 8 without a store card. I do have auto loan and mortgages reporting.
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Anonymous
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Re: Having Store Cards Necessary!!!

^^^ on phone can't edit. I only have 3 cards.
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Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: Having Store Cards Necessary!!!


@Anonymous wrote:
I can confirm that you can reach 850 on Experian FICO 8 without a store card. I do have auto loan and mortgages reporting.

Congratulations on the 850!

 

As I recall you were in the mid 700s a few months ago due to tax liens.

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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CH-7-Mission-Accomplished
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Re: Having Store Cards Necessary!!!


@Anonymous wrote:

Thanks TT!  Very helpful. 

 

Useful also as a reminder to people that one can achieve a stratospheric score with comparatively few credit cards.  It's easy for people to think they need many when they in fact they only need very few to shoot to the top.  I had only three cards for a very long time and I was in the low 840s.

 

PS.  I loved the phrase tribal knowledge.  That will keep me smiling for the rest of the month.


Slightly off topic here, but since we have 850 folks here, can you report the minimum AAofA necesary to achieve a perfect FICO score?

 

I know folks with 20 - 30 year AAofA and perfect or near perfect scores, but I am uncertain about the minimum AAofA.

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Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: Having Store Cards Necessary!!!

I know 11 years is sufficient for AAoA but I don't know the minimum AAoA for a Fico 850 score.

 

My guestimate is somewhere between 8 and 10 years but I have no supporting evidence nor have I seen anyone post an 850 with a stated AAoA that low.

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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