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Anonymous
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Re: Highest AoYA threshold?


@AnonymousI am very curious about the accuracy of the myfico simulator in regards to account aging. I am not sure if I want it to be accurate or not. It only predicted 5 increases total between the three bureaus over the next 2 years for me. The first test will be next month when it predicted +5 on EQ. The other increases were in 11/18, 5/19, 11/19, and 12/19. I have gained points for aging in May, November, and December in the past so it doesn't seem completely implossible to me. However, I will probably add some more accounts before waiting for all of these increases to occur and that will change when the AoYA and AAoA thresholds are crossed.

Please read my last post above yours.  That's all you need to know regarding simulators.

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Anonymous
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Re: Highest AoYA threshold?


@Anonymous

Please read my last post above yours.  That's all you need to know regarding simulators.



Don't worry, I read the post and initially quoted it but decided the quote was unnecessary in this context with no other posts in between.

 

I agree that the simulators are terrible for anything complicated. I would like to think they managed to program simple aging without any scorecard/bucket changes correctly, but I do have my doubts that I cannot verify for another few weeks. I think the timing could be correct, but not the numbers of points since I have not gained that many points in any single aging event over the past 2 years. 

 

I wish I had cleaner data from 2015 to see the effects of AoYA thresholds under 12 months, but my utilization and number of cards reporting a balance each month during the fico 8 pulls are just guesses based on credit karma data that was usually pulled on different days. I am glad that Discover now reports the total revolving balance with the monthly score on their website since that takes a lot of the guessing out for me.

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Anonymous
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Re: Highest AoYA threshold?

If there are thresholds for AoYA under 1 year, I believe they are much less impactful than the 1 year mark itself, to the point where it's simply difficult to identify them.  A few points here and a few points there are difficult to put your finger on.

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Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: Highest AoYA threshold?

See paste below. It looks like 3 months can significantly impact score. I suspect the main factor is "too many accounts recently opened". If a group of youngest accounts are close together due to a spree, significant score boosts have been noted when "spree accounts" are the youngest ones on file). 

 

Spree.jpg

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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marty56
Super Contributor

Re: Highest AoYA threshold?

Mine is 8 years 6 months and oldest account is 33 years 7 months.  MyFico says my length of credit histroy is exceptional so IMHO 17 years is too conservative.

1/25/2021: FICO 850 EQ 848 TU 847 EX
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Anonymous
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Re: Highest AoYA threshold?

Interesting paste above, TT.

 

It's also worth noting for scoring purposes and testing this 3 month point, it would go by the 1st of the month 3 months after the month the account was opened in.  For example, if someone opens an account on January 30, their AoYA will hit 3 months on April 1st, which is a lot closer to 2 months than 3 months in terms of time.

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Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: Highest AoYA threshold?


@Anonymous wrote:

I received a big boost in a number of models when my Age of Youngest Account (AoYA) went from 11 to 12 months.  (My profile is very stable and always had the same FICO 8 score for month 8, 9, 10, and 11.)

 

I am personally skeptical that there could be any benefit to having an AoYA greater than 24 months, and there may be no benefit after crossing the 12 month line.  It's also quite possible that some FICO models give a 24 month benefit and others stop at 12.

 

In the non-FICO LexisiNexis model, which tends to be more punitive of new accounts than is FICO, it stops at month 24.

 


Off topic -

I am purchasing a new car and tried to get an updated LexisNexis CBIS and C.L.U.E. report. It looks like consumers no longer have the ability to obtain scores directly from LN Smiley Mad I can still get a C.L.U.E. report but, only saw an option for LN to mail me a copy which takes up to 14 days Smiley Frustrated I need to shop around for better insurance rates. My latest LN reports are from April 2017.

 

Anyone know when LN stopped offering scores or know of a back door where scores can still be ordered?

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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iv
Valued Contributor

Re: Highest AoYA threshold?


@Thomas_Thumb wrote:

Off topic -

I am purchasing a new car and tried to get an updated LexisNexis CBIS and C.L.U.E. report. It looks like consumers no longer have the ability to obtain scores directly from LN Smiley Mad I can still get a C.L.U.E. report but, only saw an option for LN to mail me a copy which takes up to 14 days Smiley Frustrated I need to shop around for better insurance rates. My latest LN reports are from April 2017.

 

Anyone know when LN stopped offering scores or know of a back door where scores can still be ordered?


Interesting.  It was still available as of Feb 17th 2018 (last date I pulled LN scores).

 

The pages that used to be on their site to order the scores+reports are gone (ie: https://personalreports.lexisnexis.com/lexisnexis_attract_property_score/landing.jsp is now a 404, as is the login page: https://personalreports.lexisnexis.com/signin.jsp )

 

But oddly, their "customer help" pages still mention it: https://personalreports.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3018/related/1

 

How can a consumer find out what his/her insurance score is?

Per the federal FCRA, a Consumer Reporting Agency shall, upon request, clearly and accurately disclose to the consumer all information in the consumer's file at the time of the request. The FCRA does not require a Consumer Reporting Agency to disclose to a consumer any information concerning insurance scores.

However, LexisNexis Risk Solutions, LLC feels this information is valuable for a consumer to know. A consumer may order their credit report and ATTRACT insurance score via the www.PersonalReports.LexisNexis.com web site.

 

The link that claims to be "www.PersonalReports.LexisNexis.com" (which doesn't exist) actually links to "www.choicetrust.com"... which redirects back to "personalreports.lexisnexis.com" (which does exist, but no longer has the score options).

 

No idea if this is temporary, or a permanent shift in policy...

 

 

EQ8:850 TU8:850 EX8:850
EQ9:847 TU9:847 EX9:839
EQ5:797 TU4:807 EX2:813 - 2021-06-06
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Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: Highest AoYA threshold?

See below SOL response from LexisNexis

 

LN response.jpg

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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iv
Valued Contributor

Re: Highest AoYA threshold?

Great... So much for "LexisNexis Risk Solutions, LLC feels this information is valuable for a consumer to know."

EQ8:850 TU8:850 EX8:850
EQ9:847 TU9:847 EX9:839
EQ5:797 TU4:807 EX2:813 - 2021-06-06
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