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RobertEG
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Re: How Can a Score Drop So Suddenly

maddog is singing my tune.  FICO obsession does not always equate with a sound financial plan.
One must have both a financial plan and a FICO plan.  Those who read this forum know the distinctiion, and know whether or not to chase Briar Rabbit into the patch of thorns.
FICO to me is secondary only until the month or two before I apply for new credtit.
I would rather praise my bank balance than myFICO score.
 
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Anonymous
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Re: How Can a Score Drop So Suddenly

I am not going to apply for credit JUST to increase my FICO score, but my issue is that once my divorce is final I want to buy a new home and will have to apply for a mortgage at that time and my score dropped so significantly.  The score went down 29 points.  I am now concentrating on reducing my total debt and not applying for any new debt.  My fear is that this drop in FICO will hurt my mortgage rates once I apply for one. I can't apply for one until my divorce is final. 
 
Someone suggested that I move some of my credit card debt to an existing card so that my utilization on my current cards would be reduced.  I have paid off all but two cards and am snowballing so that my credit card with the lowest interest is at 75% utilization.  So.....should I move some of that balance to another of my existing cards with about the same or lower interest to reduce the utilization precentage?  I thought utilization was calculation not on a card by card basis but by amount of total credit (for all cards) divided by amount used for all cards. Also, does the calculation really make a difference. Thanks again...I appreciate all of the great advice.  
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Anonymous
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Re: How Can a Score Drop So Suddenly

My score suddenly INCREASED so it must have been an error.......
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RobertEG
Legendary Contributor

Re: How Can a Score Drop So Suddenly

 
Yes, it makes a big difference,  Utilization is second only to payment history in FICO.
2 plus 2 plus 2 equals 6.  Basic "am I smarter than a first grader"
But under FICO, 1 plus 1 plus 4 does not equal the same 6, except in overall util.
FICO gives equal scoring to the overall 6, but different scoring to the 1,1,4.
 
FICO scores weighs overal and indiv % utils the same.
 
The one high util card is killing you.  Get it down.  Under 50% ASAP.
 
 


Message Edited by RobertEG on 05-27-2008 10:27 PM

Message Edited by RobertEG on 05-27-2008 10:30 PM
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Junejer
Moderator Emeritus

Re: How Can a Score Drop So Suddenly



@RobertEG wrote:
Yes, it makes a big difference, Utilization is second only to payment history in FICO.
2 plus 2 plus 2 equals 6. Basic "am I smarter than a first grader"
But under FICO, 1 plus 1 plus 4 does not equal the same 6, except in overall util.
FICO gives equal scoring to the overall 6, but different scoring to the 1,1,4.
FICO scores weighs overal and indiv % utils the same.
The one high util card is killing you. Get it down. Under 50% ASAP.


Message Edited by RobertEG on 05-27-2008 10:27 PM

Message Edited by RobertEG on 05-27-2008 10:30 PM


I know that it has been stated that FICO weighs each overall and individual uti the same, but I have read anecdotal evidence on these forums, as well as received proof (at least in my bucket) that overall uti is treated with more weight.

I recently received a Lowe's Card with a $2200 CL, carrying a $1976 balance on EQ. I was sure that I would get murdered for having that balance, once it hit. Net effect -2. Went from 777 to 775. Overall uti <30%.

Just my $.02 worth.






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Anonymous
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Re: How Can a Score Drop So Suddenly

Byrd,
 
Did you have balances go lower on other cards, a lower number of cards or accounts overall reporting a balance, or did you have some accounts age over that time?
 
These could have mitigated any loss from carrying high utility on a card.
 
I think it is clear that 60% overall utility is much worse than having 30% utility and 80% on a card, because individual utility can't simply look at one card but each on its own - so while you may get dinged for having a high balance on one, it must give you credit for having low or no balances on other cards. Overall utility can't do that - if it is high you are going to take a hit because it is already averaged out.
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Junejer
Moderator Emeritus

Re: How Can a Score Drop So Suddenly

Nope, nothing of the sort. When I had one card, period, I saw the huge fluctuations in score due to uti. Recently went from 768 to 719 in eight days, because the CCC reported twice in one month (for Jan & Feb). Then brought uti to 5% and went to 790. I have taken incremental hits for new accounts, which brought my FICO down those 13 points. But the only thing that happened (literally within three days of my score dropping to 777) was that Lowe's reported. So, one card reporting 4% uti, three at 0%, and Lowe's at 90%. Negative two is all there was.






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Anonymous
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Re: How Can a Score Drop So Suddenly

I have the same kind of problem as a lot of you it seems - a drop in my FICO score... I am a victim of the DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS. For years they have been holding up paying my medical bills (along wit a large group of vets here in Florida) We got CONGRESS to look into it  and have finally gotten it resolved and the bills paid and 95% of them removed from our credit reports (it is illegal to report a VA bill on a vets score once the VA pays it)
Anyway after years of fighting and hard work on 4/25/08 I received good news the my FICO score had finally reached 607 and I thought we had finally gotten over the hill, then on Friday 5/23/08 bad news hit again! Another collection dropping the score to 568 problem is this bill was paid over 2 years ago - the doctors office messed up. I called the collection legal department, again and was told by them that they all the information and would have it removed by 5/28/08.
Well it is gone - thank goodness - BUT I am told by the FICO reps  that I am just going to have to wait for my score to work its way back up - that is just not right - I have fought for over 4 years just to get to this point and to have a paper work glitch make me take 2 steps back it really bites. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Anonymous
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Re: How Can a Score Drop So Suddenly


@MattH wrote:


@Anonymous wrote:
DO NOT TAKE OUT A LOAN SIMPLY TO IMPROVE YOUR FICO SCORE.
If you are not otherwise seeking credit, and have a house already paid off, what's the point? Are you willing to pay lots of interest $$ just to get points on your score?
That is NOT SMART FINANCIALLY.
FICO is NOT the end all be all.





Well, it's gonna take five or ten years to pay off this mortgage -- much faster than making only the regular scheduled payments, but still some years -- so I don't need to make this decision any time soon...




Amen maddog. Matt-- it's not necessary to have an open installment loan (real estate or otherwise) in order to have high fico scores. I have never had a mortgage and have no open installment loans and my 3 scores are between 815 and 836 (I'm in my mid-30s, so no ultra-long hx). Incidentally, I do have two paid installment loans (paid auto loans), so I do wonder if that is an extra benefit, as opposed to just having one closed installment.

Btw, it looks to me the OP's score drop might be from the Sallie Mae mis-reporting, not from paying off her installment loans.
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haulingthescoreup
Moderator Emerita

Re: How Can a Score Drop So Suddenly


@Anonymous wrote:

....Another collection dropping the score to 568 problem is this bill was paid over 2 years ago - the doctors office messed up. I called the collection legal department, again and was told by them that they all the information and would have it removed by 5/28/08.
Well it is gone - thank goodness - BUT I am told by the FICO reps that I am just going to have to wait for my score to work its way back up - that is just not right - I have fought for over 4 years just to get to this point and to have a paper work glitch make me take 2 steps back it really bites. Any help would be greatly appreciated.



Welcome to the forums, and sorry to hear you've had such a mess to deal with!

Not sure exactly what was happening when you talked to the myFICO CSR. It sounds like the doctor's office agreed to remove the collection report, but has it hit your credit reports yet? There are usually delays involved in this process: the creditor agrees to remove the derogatory, and then they report the removal to all three credit agencies, and then the three credit agencies finally take it off your reports. Your score won't reflect that it's gone until the credit agencies are notified to take it off your reports, AND they actually do this.

When someone pulls your scores, they are automatically generated by what is showing on your reports at that moment. If the good news hasn't percolated its way to the actual report yet, your score won't show it. As soon as each credit agency removes the collection, each score will jump back up.

Getting stuff to update on your credit reports can be an awful lot like waiting on things to happen in the military, or God forbid, the VA. Smiley Sad
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