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How Low Will They Go???

I have gotten the CC's that I wanted  and took a HUGE hit (which was expected) on my scores.  I've lost over 100 points on EX and TU but still in the 700+ range. Not sure about EQ but should be around 700.   With no more apps or new credit and extremely low utilization along with aging of the new accounts when might I expect to see my scores rise to the 800's where they were before I acquired my eight new lines of credit within the past 45 days.  Several of the new accounts are not reporting and the ones that are are not reporting to all bureaus which is normal in some cases.

 

 

I still have a Barclay Ring app suspended in outer space from April 2nd that  I am waiting for a decision on when they accept who I am if ever.  If it's approved I will take it but if not that's OK since it would bring my scores down even more.

 

My oldest account of record is 46 years old, the account is closed and has been for years so it's probably not helping although it shows as my oldest account on my reports..  All of the CC accounts are new with one of the 8 two months old. My installment loans go back over twenty plus years. Several are closed and paid off, two are recent.  They are large loans, current, never late. The two payments run about $2500 per month.  All CC accounts have 0 balances.  The total amount of the installment loans (autos $130,000) may be a factor in scoring but I have the income to carry these loans.

 

I realize no one will know for sure score wise but is there anything else that I should do while these new accounts age with regard to utilization.  I usually carry a 0 balance on all accounts paying immediately or within a day or so when they post.  

 

I know I shouldn't be fixated on scores but I do and I would feel better to have them around 800 across all three bureaus.  Is there anything else I can do other than wait it out while they age to get my scores back up?

 

Thanks for any input.

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Pway
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Re: How Low Will They Go???

Yes you will take a hit from those new accounts as you have stated.  However, not allowing a card to post a balance to the cb is really hurting you.  Nothing really else that sits out to me, but I am sure others will chime in on idea's.  Only other thing now is time.

Thank you for the wealth of knowledge I have learned from these forums. I am logging off as of November 9, 2022. I wish everyone great success.
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Anonymous
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Re: How Low Will They Go???

Show between 1 and 9% utilization on one account and your score is likely to go up.
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SouthJamaica
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Re: How Low Will They Go???


@Anonymous wrote:

I have gotten the CC's that I wanted  and took a HUGE hit (which was expected) on my scores.  I've lost over 100 points on EX and TU but still in the 700+ range. Not sure about EQ but should be around 700.   With no more apps or new credit and extremely low utilization along with aging of the new accounts when might I expect to see my scores rise to the 800's where they were before I acquired my eight new lines of credit within the past 45 days.  Several of the new accounts are not reporting and the ones that are are not reporting to all bureaus which is normal in some cases.

 

 

I still have a Barclay Ring app suspended in outer space from April 2nd that  I am waiting for a decision on when they accept who I am if ever.  If it's approved I will take it but if not that's OK since it would bring my scores down even more.

 

My oldest account of record is 46 years old, the account is closed and has been for years so it's probably not helping although it shows as my oldest account on my reports..  All of the CC accounts are new with one of the 8 two months old. My installment loans go back over twenty plus years. Several are closed and paid off, two are recent.  They are large loans, current, never late. The two payments run about $2500 per month.  All CC accounts have 0 balances.  The total amount of the installment loans (autos $130,000) may be a factor in scoring but I have the income to carry these loans.

 

I realize no one will know for sure score wise but is there anything else that I should do while these new accounts age with regard to utilization.  I usually carry a 0 balance on all accounts paying immediately or within a day or so when they post.  

 

I know I shouldn't be fixated on scores but I do and I would feel better to have them around 800 across all three bureaus.  Is there anything else I can do other than wait it out while they age to get my scores back up?

 

Thanks for any input.


Another way to get the scores up is to cross thresholds with your auto loans. When your combined utilization of installment loans gets down to 79% you'll get a bump in your scores. There's also a definite bump when you get it down to 9%. There are other bumps in between but I don't think there's a strong concensus on exactly where those thresholds are. There is a consensus, though, that Relevate -- founder of the installment tradeline utilization thread -- is one of the most knowledgeable among us on that subject.


Total revolving limits 569520 (505320 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




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Anonymous
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Re: How Low Will They Go???


@Pway wrote:

Yes you will take a hit from those new accounts as you have stated.  However, not allowing a card to post a balance to the cb is really hurting you.  Nothing really else that sits out to me, but I am sure others will chime in on idea's.  Only other thing now is time.


Thanks.  I will let something sit for a while then pay it off.

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Anonymous
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Re: How Low Will They Go???


@Anonymous wrote:
Show between 1 and 9% utilization on one account and your score is likely to go up.

 

Will do. Thanks.

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Anonymous
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Re: How Low Will They Go???


@SouthJamaica wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

I have gotten the CC's that I wanted  and took a HUGE hit (which was expected) on my scores.  I've lost over 100 points on EX and TU but still in the 700+ range. Not sure about EQ but should be around 700.   With no more apps or new credit and extremely low utilization along with aging of the new accounts when might I expect to see my scores rise to the 800's where they were before I acquired my eight new lines of credit within the past 45 days.  Several of the new accounts are not reporting and the ones that are are not reporting to all bureaus which is normal in some cases.

 

 

I still have a Barclay Ring app suspended in outer space from April 2nd that  I am waiting for a decision on when they accept who I am if ever.  If it's approved I will take it but if not that's OK since it would bring my scores down even more.

 

My oldest account of record is 46 years old, the account is closed and has been for years so it's probably not helping although it shows as my oldest account on my reports..  All of the CC accounts are new with one of the 8 two months old. My installment loans go back over twenty plus years. Several are closed and paid off, two are recent.  They are large loans, current, never late. The two payments run about $2500 per month.  All CC accounts have 0 balances.  The total amount of the installment loans (autos $130,000) may be a factor in scoring but I have the income to carry these loans.

 

I realize no one will know for sure score wise but is there anything else that I should do while these new accounts age with regard to utilization.  I usually carry a 0 balance on all accounts paying immediately or within a day or so when they post.  

 

I know I shouldn't be fixated on scores but I do and I would feel better to have them around 800 across all three bureaus.  Is there anything else I can do other than wait it out while they age to get my scores back up?

 

Thanks for any input.


Another way to get the scores up is to cross thresholds with your auto loans. When your combined utilization of installment loans gets down to 79% you'll get a bump in your scores. There's also a definite bump when you get it down to 9%. There are other bumps in between but I don't think there's a strong concensus on exactly where those thresholds are. There is a consensus, though, that Relevate -- founder of the installment tradeline utilization thread -- is one of the most knowledgeable among us on that subject.


OK.  9% may be a while.  One of them is a new loan less than 30 days old and one is a refinance about 60 days old.  I do double up on payments sometimes so I will work on it.  Thanks.

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Anonymous
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Re: How Low Will They Go???

My oldest account of record is 46 years old, the account is closed and has been for years so it's probably not helping although it shows as my oldest account on my reports.

 

It is helping, a ton. It's propping up your AAoA and oldest account is part of the Fico formula.

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Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: How Low Will They Go???


@SouthJamaica wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

 

 

My installment loans go back over twenty plus years. Several are closed and paid off, two are recent.  They are large loans, current, never late. The two payments run about $2500 per month.  All CC accounts have 0 balances.  The total amount of the installment loans (autos $130,000) may be a factor in scoring but I have the income to carry these loans.

 

I realize no one will know for sure score wise but is there anything else that I should do while these new accounts age with regard to utilization.  I usually carry a 0 balance on all accounts paying immediately or within a day or so when they post.  [need to allow a non zero balance to show on one statement for increased points - that does not mean you need to "carry a balance".]

 

I know I shouldn't be fixated on scores but I do and I would feel better to have them around 800 across all three bureaus.  Is there anything else I can do other than wait it out while they age to get my scores back up?

 

Thanks for any input.


Another way to get the scores up is to cross thresholds with your auto loans. When your combined utilization of installment loans gets down to 79% you'll get a bump in your scores. There's also a definite bump when you get it down to 9%. There are other bumps in between but I don't think there's a strong concensus on exactly where those thresholds are. There is a consensus, though, that Relevate -- founder of the installment tradeline utilization thread -- is one of the most knowledgeable among us on that subject.


CAPTOOL provided some compelling data that suggests the upper threshold for aggregate balance to loan ratio is well below 79%. Best I can tell from his data is the threshold is 70% - so if the algorithm rounds up, aggregate loan to balance under 69% would be the percentage for a bump in score.

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: How Low Will They Go???


@Anonymous wrote:

@Pway wrote:

Yes you will take a hit from those new accounts as you have stated.  However, not allowing a card to post a balance to the cb is really hurting you.  Nothing really else that sits out to me, but I am sure others will chime in on idea's.  Only other thing now is time.


Thanks.  I will let something sit for a while then pay it off.


Congratulations on all the new cards, but no, you don't have to let it sit for a while. The statement that prints merely needs to show that you have something on the account. You can promptly pay it off two days later if you like, then charge another coffee two days after that, and let that report on the next statement, then pay that coffee off two days after that second statement.

 

The important part is that the statement is allowed to print, that charges are allowed to sit still on your card for more than two days, but only until the statement cuts Smiley Happy

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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