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jamie123
Valued Contributor

Re: How long to raise score?


@ncochran1989 wrote:
I'm looking for a more generic answer. Not really based on my profile on how scores increase with using and paying credit cards monthly.

The generic answer:

 

If you have 1 baddie on your report, whether it be a late payment, collection or tax lien, there seems to be an upper limit of about 710 to 730 as the best score that you can achieve. Once you have reported at least 3 years of clean history since the latest baddie you should be able to get your scores in that range. This assumes that you quit adding new credit which will knock your scores down for a time.

 

One thing that you might not understand:

 

A paid collection is treated by FICO exactly the same as an upaid collection. If you have a paid collection on your reports it is a baddie and must be removed.

 

You will gain the most points once the LAST baddie falls off your reports and leaves you with a spotless report. It kind of works like this:

 

First baddie = minus 75 points

Second baddie = minus 20 points

Third baddie = minus 5 points

 

Now...I described this in very broad terms and not everyone's score will be affected in exactly the same way but IMHO it is close enough for generalizations.

 

The quickest way to increase your scores is to work at getting all the baddies removed from your reports.


Starting Score: EQ 653 6/21/12
Current Score: EQ 817 3/10/20 - EX 820 3/13/20 - TU 825 3/03/20
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NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: How long to raise score?


@ncochran1989 wrote:
Hi all,

Over the last few months I've raised my scores quite a bit. I've disputed an old derogatory off my reports, paid off all credit cards, paid down my car loan which is almost paid off now. I am now just using credit and letting one card report a small balance each month. I have no other changes that I can make to raise my score. How long does it take to to raise your scores if you just let one card report a low utilization and pay on time every month? I don't have a bankruptcy or anything like that. I do have an old paid medical bill falling off in 6 Mos or so and two paid small med bills from 2012.

+1 to Revelates post

 

and I will add, using the "all cards at zero except one with a small balance" is the way to optimize your score Within The Bounds of The Rest Of Your File. With the derogatories, those are what determine your possible range of scores. If you have already gotten to the All Cards at Zero Except One level, congratulations, you've found your upper bound in score for this month.

 

Keeping your file at All Cards at Zero Except One will see your score rise over time, but not due to the All Cards but One situation. It improves as the baddies age, or drop off, and you continue to build age of accounts.

 

If you now let the cards report their usage as natural utilization, you likely will see some score drop, but if utilization stays reasonably in check the score drop should be minor. Your effort to try to manage the cards to zero is reduced as well. If you decide an application is approaching, you can manage the cards back to All Cards but One and see some score improvement.

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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Anonymous
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Re: How long to raise score?

Please know that nothing on my reports are marked as derogatory. These collections are old. They will fall off. One, very soon. I know paid and unpaid make no difference. If you started with no credit, you'd have to build somehow, I'm just asking how making on time payments and keeping low credit utilization helps to build my score over time. I know the old collection hurts, but it's medical, I didn't default on a yacht loan. Does fico 8 see a difference, maybe not. But lenders are starting to, the new fico 9 is. They will be gone and then I realize I'll get a boost.

I'm not looking for info on this particular thread on cleaning up my report. I was curious how using credit and paying it back on time affects your score. How it builds it over time, because that's what I'm doing right now. If you had 0 credit and did a secured card and paid on time, eventually you'd have a score and it would improve to the point where you'd get an unsecured card. How do scores increase based off of using a credit card and paying it monthly? Is this something that happens? Does it take a year of doing this? Do you truly only gain points by aging your report? Anything negative drops to where you can get points back by various methods. If you have nothing bad on your report, you can still raise your score by something over time. Just trying to figure out how that works.
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jamie123
Valued Contributor

Re: How long to raise score?


@ncochran1989 wrote:
Please know that nothing on my reports are marked as derogatory. These collections are old. They will fall off. One, very soon. I know paid and unpaid make no difference. If you started with no credit, you'd have to build somehow, I'm just asking how making on time payments and keeping low credit utilization helps to build my score over time. I know the old collection hurts, but it's medical, I didn't default on a yacht loan. Does fico 8 see a difference, maybe not. But lenders are starting to, the new fico 9 is. They will be gone and then I realize I'll get a boost.

I'm not looking for info on this particular thread on cleaning up my report. I was curious how using credit and paying it back on time affects your score. How it builds it over time, because that's what I'm doing right now. If you had 0 credit and did a secured card and paid on time, eventually you'd have a score and it would improve to the point where you'd get an unsecured card. How do scores increase based off of using a credit card and paying it monthly? Is this something that happens? Does it take a year of doing this? Do you truly only gain points by aging your report? Anything negative drops to where you can get points back by various methods. If you have nothing bad on your report, you can still raise your score by something over time. Just trying to figure out how that works.

That's pretty much how it works. Every month that goes by and you have credit cards, installment loans and other credit that is kept in good standing by you paying on time, you get "Good" marks on your reports. As time goes on and you accumulate more good marks, your score rises.

 

People on these forums, starting fresh with no baddies and no credit, have hit an 800 score in 3 years at the earliest. Those are exceptional situations where the people have made exactly all the right credit moves at exactly the right times. It would take most people that don't have any baddies on their reports about 4 to 5 years to hit an 800 score.


Starting Score: EQ 653 6/21/12
Current Score: EQ 817 3/10/20 - EX 820 3/13/20 - TU 825 3/03/20
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Anonymous
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Re: How long to raise score?

@jamie123

Thank you so much! That's exactly what I was looking for. This gives me an idea of a timeframe. While every situation is different, I can now expect that I can continue to build my score even in my current situation. Then when the med debt falls off, even better. I'm just hoping for 20 points in the next year. It sounds possible based on your observations. I will keep using my credit cards and paying them in full, allowing one to report a small balance. It feels good to know that I can continue to grow my score, even with this old med debt.

Thank you for your answer. I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing. Eventually, I'll get to where I really want to be. Thank you.
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Revelate
Moderator Emeritus

Re: How long to raise score?


@jamie123 wrote:
People on these forums, starting fresh with no baddies and no credit, have hit an 800 score in 3 years at the earliest. Those are exceptional situations where the people have made exactly all the right credit moves at exactly the right times. It would take most people that don't have any baddies on their reports about 4 to 5 years to hit an 800 score.

Should be faster than that FICO 8 no?

 

Saw a report that someone hit 800 with an AAOA of 2 years, which should be a lot shorter walk than 3 year if fully leveraging the knowledge.




        
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jamie123
Valued Contributor

Re: How long to raise score?


@Revelate wrote:

@jamie123 wrote:
People on these forums, starting fresh with no baddies and no credit, have hit an 800 score in 3 years at the earliest. Those are exceptional situations where the people have made exactly all the right credit moves at exactly the right times. It would take most people that don't have any baddies on their reports about 4 to 5 years to hit an 800 score.

Should be faster than that FICO 8 no?

 

Saw a report that someone hit 800 with an AAOA of 2 years, which should be a lot shorter walk than 3 year if fully leveraging the knowledge.


The fastest that I've seen someone get a FICO 08 score on the forums was about 3 years I believe.  I'm thinking a 2 year score would be more like 760-780 but maybe now if you did the installment loan thing you might be able to hit 800 in 2 years.


Starting Score: EQ 653 6/21/12
Current Score: EQ 817 3/10/20 - EX 820 3/13/20 - TU 825 3/03/20
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elim
Senior Contributor

Re: How long to raise score?

After the initial "bang", my FICO score is slowww to do much of anything, probably all of the app'ing, lol...

 

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Revelate
Moderator Emeritus

Re: How long to raise score?


@jamie123 wrote:

@Revelate wrote:

@jamie123 wrote:
People on these forums, starting fresh with no baddies and no credit, have hit an 800 score in 3 years at the earliest. Those are exceptional situations where the people have made exactly all the right credit moves at exactly the right times. It would take most people that don't have any baddies on their reports about 4 to 5 years to hit an 800 score.

Should be faster than that FICO 8 no?

 

Saw a report that someone hit 800 with an AAOA of 2 years, which should be a lot shorter walk than 3 year if fully leveraging the knowledge.


The fastest that I've seen someone get a FICO 08 score on the forums was about 3 years I believe.  I'm thinking a 2 year score would be more like 760-780 but maybe now if you did the installment loan thing you might be able to hit 800 in 2 years.


Yeah that's my thinking.

 

If I were going just for pure FICO maximization at the two year mark:

 

5 secured cards (or whatever I could qualify for, student, store, doesn't matter if there's no CFA tag)

1 share secured loan w/Alliant, reindeer games. 

 

Then just sit on my hands 2 years, not miss a payment and that should hit the 2 year AAOA mark at 2 years (roughly, some delay when talking initial cards if secured) and I'd be willing to bet that'd be 800 on a FICO 8 with pretty revolving utilization at that date.  Might even be earlier, we still have people hitting ~760 after 1 year on FICO 8, and the installment loan to that is another 20-30 points easy on that file, so...




        
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Anonymous
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Re: How long to raise score?


@ncochran1989 wrote:
I'm looking for a more generic answer. Not really based on my profile on how scores increase with using and paying credit cards monthly.

There really is no "generic" answer here - scoring is based entirely on whats in your file and everyones file is unique. Your scores will increase naturally over time as derogs age and accounts age - assuming no new derogs occur, of course.

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