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darwin_wins
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I don't think I understand FICO scoring at all

Yesterday I decided to take a look at myfico scores even though I have no need for it at this point. I have about 5 baddies in total that will go away this year. Unlike most people who rebuild I didn't go for secured or FingerHut/ OpenSky way. I asked my friend to add me to his account and he did. That was 3 & half years ago. At that point his limit wasn't where it is today but his spending was also low. In last year his limit went up and now the card is maxed out. In last 2 years I managed to get few cards on my own and have another Chase on which I am AU. 

 

Yesterday I was looking at the myfico reports and none of them showed any impact from his credit usage. His card is at 100% usage which if I go to any FAKO credit score sites show up and say I need to reduce the debt (or remove the card from my account) but on myfico it only showed the amount I owed from my own cards. It is told to many people to remove themselves as AU if the usage is high which I could understand but with yesterday's report I have no idea anymore. Can anyone explain how and why AU account usage is not being taken into consideration for my score (not that I am complaining I wouldn't want his usage affecting my score at least for now). I would want to keep it because of payment history but the moment he defaults I am going to get it off my reports.

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bdhu2001
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Re: I don't think I understand FICO scoring at all


@darwin_wins wrote:

Yesterday I decided to take a look at myfico scores even though I have no need for it at this point. I have about 5 baddies in total that will go away this year. Unlike most people who rebuild I didn't go for secured or FingerHut/ OpenSky way. I asked my friend to add me to his account and he did. That was 3 & half years ago. At that point his limit wasn't where it is today but his spending was also low. In last year his limit went up and now the card is maxed out. In last 2 years I managed to get few cards on my own and have another Chase on which I am AU. 

 

Yesterday I was looking at the myfico reports and none of them showed any impact from his credit usage. His card is at 100% usage which if I go to any FAKO credit score sites show up and say I need to reduce the debt (or remove the card from my account) but on myfico it only showed the amount I owed from my own cards. It is told to many people to remove themselves as AU if the usage is high which I could understand but with yesterday's report I have no idea anymore. Can anyone explain how and why AU account usage is not being taken into consideration for my score (not that I am complaining I wouldn't want his usage affecting my score at least for now). I would want to keep it because of payment history but the moment he defaults I am going to get it off my reports.



@darwin_wins wrote:

Yesterday I decided to take a look at myfico scores even though I have no need for it at this point. I have about 5 baddies in total that will go away this year. Unlike most people who rebuild I didn't go for secured or FingerHut/ OpenSky way. I asked my friend to add me to his account and he did. That was 3 & half years ago. At that point his limit wasn't where it is today but his spending was also low. In last year his limit went up and now the card is maxed out. In last 2 years I managed to get few cards on my own and have another Chase on which I am AU. 

 

Yesterday I was looking at the myfico reports and none of them showed any impact from his credit usage. His card is at 100% usage which if I go to any FAKO credit score sites show up and say I need to reduce the debt (or remove the card from my account) but on myfico it only showed the amount I owed from my own cards. It is told to many people to remove themselves as AU if the usage is high which I could understand but with yesterday's report I have no idea anymore. Can anyone explain how and why AU account usage is not being taken into consideration for my score (not that I am complaining I wouldn't want his usage affecting my score at least for now). I would want to keep it because of payment history but the moment he defaults I am going to get it off my reports.


Some FICO versions don't use AU as much.  I believe 04 weighs AU more.  Initially 08 didn't count AU cards, but I've heard that they allow it depending on the relationship or situation.  For example children, spouse, and people living with the card holder may be considered and others will not. But it's probably a good idea to get your own credit so that your score isn't dependent upon someone elses.

 

If you have your own cards, now might be the time to do your own rebuild and take your name off.  It may also be a good idea so that you can see how the baddies falling off will affect your personal FICO.  Since you don't need anything soon, give it a go. Although I understand not going the secured card option, do you have an installment loan?  If you don't, I would recommend that you do the shared loan option, before you need an auto or mortgage.

Original Mortgage maturity Sept 2044; Refi maturity Dec 2030
Starting Score: EX 751 EQ 720 TU 737 on 4/9/14
Current Score: EX 849 EQ 835 TU 843
Goal Score: 850


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Re: I don't think I understand FICO scoring at all

I think I field this question.

 

Your most likely seeing the FICO8 score. There are fairly recent changes in the FICO8 formula, that omit AU accounts when calculating your score. This was put in place to tighten up illegal AU activity.

 

Basically, your friend has you as a AU on their account. You most likely do not share your friends last name or address. One or both of this criteria is used to validate a relationship with the card holder. So the AU card has been omitted from the FICO8 calculation.

 

However, the AU card may count on previous versions of FICO scores. Some lenders are using older versions of FICO, some are using FICO8.

 

This change does effect some legitimate AU card holders. For instance, you have a relationship with your friend, who allowed you to be placed as a AU on their account. Another instance I can think of, is a son/daughter being placed on a account of a mother who has remarried with different last name.

 

Guess FICO figured the good outweighed the bad in arresting the illegal AU activity.

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darwin_wins
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Re: I don't think I understand FICO scoring at all


@bdhu2001 wrote:

 


@darwin_wins wrote:

Yesterday I decided to take a look at myfico scores even though I have no need for it at this point. I have about 5 baddies in total that will go away this year. Unlike most people who rebuild I didn't go for secured or FingerHut/ OpenSky way. I asked my friend to add me to his account and he did. That was 3 & half years ago. At that point his limit wasn't where it is today but his spending was also low. In last year his limit went up and now the card is maxed out. In last 2 years I managed to get few cards on my own and have another Chase on which I am AU. 

Yesterday I was looking at the myfico reports and none of them showed any impact from his credit usage. His card is at 100% usage which if I go to any FAKO credit score sites show up and say I need to reduce the debt (or remove the card from my account) but on myfico it only showed the amount I owed from my own cards. It is told to many people to remove themselves as AU if the usage is high which I could understand but with yesterday's report I have no idea anymore. Can anyone explain how and why AU account usage is not being taken into consideration for my score (not that I am complaining I wouldn't want his usage affecting my score at least for now). I would want to keep it because of payment history but the moment he defaults I am going to get it off my reports.


Some FICO versions don't use AU as much.  I believe 04 weighs AU more.  Initially 08 didn't count AU cards, but I've heard that they allow it depending on the relationship or situation.  For example children, spouse, and people living with the card holder may be considered and others will not. But it's probably a good idea to get your own credit so that your score isn't dependent upon someone elses.

If you have your own cards, now might be the time to do your own rebuild and take your name off.  It may also be a good idea so that you can see how the baddies falling off will affect your personal FICO.  Since you don't need anything soon, give it a go. Although I understand not going the secured card option, do you have an installment loan?  If you don't, I would recommend that you do the shared loan option, before you need an auto or mortgage.

I am going to get myself removed few days before I call TU for EE. I had one installment loan for 6 months just to add it to the mix. Right now there are few types of baddies. One type being collection and other just showing 120+ days late by the old utility company. It will taken off this year so I should have a perfect payment history. 
One thing I noticed about FICO report, it is showing old citi account on EX report but I don't see that on my EX report itself only one provided by FICO has that entry. I found that to be very odd. 

 

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bdhu2001
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. .I am going to get myself removed few days before I call TU for EE. I had one installment loan for 6 months just to add it to the mix. Right now there are few types of baddies. One type being collection and other just showing 120+ days late by the old utility company. It will taken off this year so I should have a perfect payment history. . .

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Unlike RV accounts, installment loans only help with the mix while they are open.  The minute you pay off an installment loan, your credit drops.  It may drop even more over time as the months go by. I re-financed my mortgage and even though I still had a vehicle, my credit took an 8 point hit.  The simulator had predicted that it would take a 10pt hit for paying off the loan.

 

From reading the forum Alliant will allow you to have a small shared loan that lasts 5 yrs.  If you don't have a student loan or any other type of open installment loan, I recommend that you get a shared loan.  Deposit $550 and take out a 5 year shared loan.  Once the loan hits your CBA, pay $500 on the loan and take the account off of auto pay.  Others have mentioned getting 20 pts.  Mix of credit accounts for 10% of your score.  Thus, not having a mix means your leaving at least 85 pts on the table.

Original Mortgage maturity Sept 2044; Refi maturity Dec 2030
Starting Score: EX 751 EQ 720 TU 737 on 4/9/14
Current Score: EX 849 EQ 835 TU 843
Goal Score: 850


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