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I plan to take a mortgage in 2021 and only recently learnt about the "middle mortgage" score. From the myFICO report I see that TransUnion in general has much more favorable scores for me across the board than Equifax or Experian, which are pulling my "middle" score down.
Account age details
Other details
Questions
Score details
EQ8 737
TU8 763
EX8 743
EQ5 726 (-11)
TU4 754 (-9)
EX2 725 (-18)
Equifax reasons
Experian reasons
@Anonymous wrote:I plan to take a mortgage in 2021 and only recently learnt about the "middle mortgage" score. From the myFICO report I see that TransUnion in general has much more favorable scores for me across the board than Equifax or Experian, which are pulling my "middle" score down.
Account age details
- Last account opened: 5 mo. ago (personal loan that I plan to close by March)
- Oldest account: 4 years 9 months
- Average age of accounts: 2 years 7 mo.
Other details
- Excellent payment history through entire 4 year 9 mo. period, no defaults or late payments
- Average credit card utilization hovers between 0% and 1%, peak individual card utilization under 10%
- Outstanding loan balance (auto + personal) at 41%
- 1 credit card opened Dec 2019, 4 opened between March 1 and 7, 2020
Questions
- Can I expect my mortgage scores to go up significantly (closer to TransUnion) in March or April?
No.
2. I currently have 20 credit cards, 1 personal loan and 1 auto loan, all reporting to the 3 bureaus. Will closing the personal loan hurt my score?
It won't hurt your scores, it could possibly help your scores a little. My EX FICO 2 gave me 11 points when I closed out 4 of 6 personal loans.
3. Will closing my 5 new credit cards (1 opened Dec 19, 4 in Mar 20) help my score materially?
Not even a little bit
My advice to you is:
(a) no new applications for credit, and no applications of any kind that could result in a hard pull (e.g. CLI's, cell phone contracts, credit union memberships, apartment rental applications, etc)
(b) if it's possible for you to get the total loan balances down to 9% or less of the total original loan amounts you might be able to pick up a few points in one of your mortgage scores by doing that
(c) make sure your revolvers always have one account reporting a small balance before you pay it off
Score details
EQ8 737
TU8 763
EX8 743
EQ5 726 (-11)
TU4 754 (-9)
EX2 725 (-18)
Equifax reasons
- New account
- Short account history
- Seeking credit (4 inquiries in 12 mo.)
- Short revolving history
Experian reasons
- Short account history
- Seeking credit (8 inquiries in 12 mo.)
- Accounts with balances
- Many new accounts





























@Anonymous wrote:I plan to take a mortgage in 2021 and only recently learnt about the "middle mortgage" score. From the myFICO report I see that TransUnion in general has much more favorable scores for me across the board than Equifax or Experian, which are pulling my "middle" score down.
Account age details
- Last account opened: 5 mo. ago (personal loan that I plan to close by March)
- Oldest account: 4 years 9 months
- Average age of accounts: 2 years 7 mo.
Other details
- Excellent payment history through entire 4 year 9 mo. period, no defaults or late payments
- Average credit card utilization hovers between 0% and 1%, peak individual card utilization under 10%
- Outstanding loan balance (auto + personal) at 41%
- 1 credit card opened Dec 2019, 4 opened between March 1 and 7, 2020
Questions
- Can I expect my mortgage scores to go up significantly (closer to TransUnion) in March or April?
- I currently have 20 credit cards, 1 personal loan and 1 auto loan, all reporting to the 3 bureaus. Will closing the personal loan hurt my score?
- Will closing my 5 new credit cards (1 opened Dec 19, 4 in Mar 20) help my score materially?
Score details
EQ8 737
TU8 763
EX8 743
EQ5 726 (-11)
TU4 754 (-9)
EX2 725 (-18)
Equifax reasons
- New account
- Short account history
- Seeking credit (4 inquiries in 12 mo.)
- Short revolving history
Experian reasons
- Short account history
- Seeking credit (8 inquiries in 12 mo.)
- Accounts with balances
- Many new accounts
@Anonymous welcome to the forum
1. Possibly, my mortgage scores increase ~20 points when my youngest credit card turned 1 year old.
2. Most likely not, the exact effects of loans are not known for mortgage scores but it is generally believed that there is not much effect
3. Closing your newest cards WILL NOT increase your scores at all, the damage is done. Open or closed those accounts will still be "new"
When it is close to applying for the mortgage implement AZEO, mortgage scores love it when you only have a balance on one credit card.
@dragontears wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:I plan to take a mortgage in 2021 and only recently learnt about the "middle mortgage" score. From the myFICO report I see that TransUnion in general has much more favorable scores for me across the board than Equifax or Experian, which are pulling my "middle" score down.
Account age details
- Last account opened: 5 mo. ago (personal loan that I plan to close by March)
- Oldest account: 4 years 9 months
- Average age of accounts: 2 years 7 mo.
Other details
- Excellent payment history through entire 4 year 9 mo. period, no defaults or late payments
- Average credit card utilization hovers between 0% and 1%, peak individual card utilization under 10%
- Outstanding loan balance (auto + personal) at 41%
- 1 credit card opened Dec 2019, 4 opened between March 1 and 7, 2020
Questions
- Can I expect my mortgage scores to go up significantly (closer to TransUnion) in March or April?
- I currently have 20 credit cards, 1 personal loan and 1 auto loan, all reporting to the 3 bureaus. Will closing the personal loan hurt my score?
- Will closing my 5 new credit cards (1 opened Dec 19, 4 in Mar 20) help my score materially?
Score details
EQ8 737
TU8 763
EX8 743
EQ5 726 (-11)
TU4 754 (-9)
EX2 725 (-18)
Equifax reasons
- New account
- Short account history
- Seeking credit (4 inquiries in 12 mo.)
- Short revolving history
Experian reasons
- Short account history
- Seeking credit (8 inquiries in 12 mo.)
- Accounts with balances
- Many new accounts
@Anonymous welcome to the forum
1. Possibly, my mortgage scores increase ~20 points when my youngest credit card turned 1 year old.
2. Most likely not, the exact effects of loans are not known for mortgage scores but it is generally believed that there is not much effect
3. Closing your newest cards WILL NOT increase your scores at all, the damage is done. Open or closed those accounts will still be "new"
When it is close to applying for the mortgage implement AZEO, mortgage scores love it when you only have a balance on one credit card.
@dragontears can you please tell me more about your mortgage Scores gaining 20 points when your credit card turned a year old? Were there any other aging metrics in play because it doesn't seem the new account reassignment occurs at a year on the mortgage Scores.
@SouthJamaica wrote:2. I currently have 20 credit cards, 1 personal loan and 1 auto loan, all reporting to the 3 bureaus. Will closing the personal loan hurt my score?
It won't hurt your scores, it could possibly help your scores a little. My EX FICO 2 gave me 11 points when I closed out 4 of 6 personal loans.
My advice to you is:
(a) no new applications for credit, and no applications of any kind that could result in a hard pull (e.g. CLI's, cell phone contracts, credit union memberships, apartment rental applications, etc)
Agreed, I am not even doing soft pulls right now, LOL.
(b) if it's possible for you to get the total loan balances down to 9% or less of the total original loan amounts you might be able to pick up a few points in one of your mortgage scores by doing that
That's my plan - preferably completely close the loan late Feb / early March. Additionally, mid-March should be 1 year from last inquiries, so I am hoping these two events combined give a decent boost.
(c) make sure your revolvers always have one account reporting a small balance before you pay it off
@dragontears wrote:@Anonymous welcome to the forum
Thank you! Have been lurking around in read only mode all these years
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1. Possibly, my mortgage scores increase ~20 points when my youngest credit card turned 1 year old.
Fingers crossed 🤞
When it is close to applying for the mortgage implement AZEO, mortgage scores love it when you only have a balance on one credit card.
Wasn't aware of AZEO, thanks! Now that I see what it is, I can relate to Experian's "accounts with balances" flag.
@Anonymous wrote:
Were there any other aging metrics in play because it doesn't seem the new account reassignment occurs at a year on the mortgage Scores.
@Anonymous what's a new account reassignment?
Do we know when a new account impacts scorecard reassignment when it comes to mortgage scores? And, does it only could for a revolver like on F8, or does any account regardless of type impact that AoYA factor?
@Anonymous wrote:
@Anonymous wrote:
Were there any other aging metrics in play because it doesn't seem the new account reassignment occurs at a year on the mortgage Scores.@Anonymous what's a new account reassignment?
@Anonymous you would understand scorecard reassignment and new account reassignment if you read the Scorecard Basics section of post 1 in the Scoring Primer linked at the top of my signature.
basically the algorithm is broken down into scorecards and your profile gets placed into a scorecard in order to determine your score, so which scorecard you're in makes a lot of difference.
@Anonymous we do not know the segmentation threshold for new accounts for the mortgage Scores. We do know it's higher than 12 months. Neither have we had tests to determine whether it's limited to revolvers.
Cool, I will be able to test it in 2022+ because I'll be opening a loan first followed by a revolver in 2021.
@Anonymous wrote:Cool, I will be able to test it in 2022+ because I'll be opening a loan first followed by a revolver in 2021.
@Anonymous well you'll be able to determine whether or not the loan causes reassignment in 21 but it may be 22 before you determine the threshold. I'm actually searching for it now so I may find it first.