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SouthJamaica
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Installment utilization -- no big bang

In the past, when my installment utilization dropped below 10% I experienced a big bang in my FICO 8's and 9's, to the tune of 30 points across the board.

 

It happened today that my installment utilization dropped from 18% to 8%.

 

The 'bang' in my EX FICO 8 was a mere 5 points.

 

The differences between then and now:

-number of installment loans: this was over 6 loans, in the past it was just 1 or 2

-other utilization: this was during a time of very high utilization for me, in the past it was very low utilization

 

Go figure.

 

One of my smaller loans is still at > 10%. Since it had 0% interest, I decided not to rush paying it off. I'm going to get that one down to < 10%, and see if that makes a difference.

 

Update: EQ FICO 8 appears to have jumped 19 points, but it's impossible to discern whether that's attributable to just this event.


Total revolving limits 569520 (505320 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




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Anonymous
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Re: Installment utilization -- no big bang

Do you believe your scorecard today to be different than it was the first time you tested this?

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Anonymous
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Re: Installment utilization -- no big bang


@SouthJamaica wrote:

In the past, when my installment utilization dropped below 10% I experienced a big bang in my FICO 8's and 9's, to the tune of 30 points across the board.

 

It happened today that my installment utilization dropped from 18% to 8%.

 

The 'bang' in my EX FICO 8 was a mere 5 points.

 

The differences between then and now:

-number of installment loans: this was over 6 loans, in the past it was just 1 or 2

-other utilization: this was during a time of very high utilization for me, in the past it was very low utilization

 

Go figure.

 

One of my smaller loans is still at > 10%. Since it had 0% interest, I decided not to rush paying it off. I'm going to get that one down to < 10%, and see if that makes a difference.

 

Update: EQ FICO 8 appears to have jumped 19 points, but it's impossible to discern whether that's attributable to just this event.


@SouthJamaica you do mean your aggregate installment utilization dropped to 8%?

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Thomas_Thumb
Senior Contributor

Re: Installment utilization -- no big bang


@SouthJamaica wrote:

In the past, when my installment utilization dropped below 10% I experienced a big bang in my FICO 8's and 9's, to the tune of 30 points across the board.

 

It happened today that my installment utilization dropped from 18% to 8%.

 

The 'bang' in my EX FICO 8 was a mere 5 points.

 

The differences between then and now:

-number of installment loans: this was over 6 loans, in the past it was just 1 or 2

-other utilization: this was during a time of very high utilization for me, in the past it was very low utilization

 

Go figure.

 

One of my smaller loans is still at > 10%. Since it had 0% interest, I decided not to rush paying it off. I'm going to get that one down to < 10%, and see if that makes a difference.

 

Update: EQ FICO 8 appears to have jumped 19 points, but it's impossible to discern whether that's attributable to just this event.


Was there a difference on length of open loan payment history now vs in the past? I continue to believe that open loans with longer payment history will see less of a point gain by reducing aggregate (or individual) B/L ratio than loans with under 1 year payment history.

 

As an illustration, a 5 year auto loan with 3 years payment history at a 50% B/L may see a 5 point gain dropping below 9% B/L whereas the same 5 year loan with only 6 months payment history might see a 20 point gain dropping from 50% to below 9%. There have been a few posters with a single open auto loan (no other open loans) reporting minimal score increases when B/L dropped below 9%. These loans had more than 2 years payment history. Can't recall thickness of poster files and amount/age of closed loans or if all those details were provided.

 

Fico 9: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 8: .......EQ 850 TU 850 EX 850
Fico 4 .....:. EQ 809 TU 823 EX 830 EX Fico 98: 842
Fico 8 BC:. EQ 892 TU 900 EX 900
Fico 8 AU:. EQ 887 TU 897 EX 899
Fico 4 BC:. EQ 826 TU 858, EX Fico 98 BC: 870
Fico 4 AU:. EQ 831 TU 872, EX Fico 98 AU: 861
VS 3.0:...... EQ 835 TU 835 EX 835
CBIS: ........EQ LN Auto 940 EQ LN Home 870 TU Auto 902 TU Home 950
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Anonymous
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Re: Installment utilization -- no big bang

@Thomas_Thumb I recently got some points when my loan aged to 30 months, I think, but it was conflated with scorecard reassignment.

 

I did not age to 30 months at Equifax and you can see the difference in the scores, but there were other aging metrics conflated too, so I can't really be sure:

 

https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/12-month-AoYRA-awards/m-p/6176292/highli...

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SouthJamaica
Mega Contributor

Re: Installment utilization -- no big bang


@Anonymous wrote:

@SouthJamaica wrote:

In the past, when my installment utilization dropped below 10% I experienced a big bang in my FICO 8's and 9's, to the tune of 30 points across the board.

 

It happened today that my installment utilization dropped from 18% to 8%.

 

The 'bang' in my EX FICO 8 was a mere 5 points.

 

The differences between then and now:

-number of installment loans: this was over 6 loans, in the past it was just 1 or 2

-other utilization: this was during a time of very high utilization for me, in the past it was very low utilization

 

Go figure.

 

One of my smaller loans is still at > 10%. Since it had 0% interest, I decided not to rush paying it off. I'm going to get that one down to < 10%, and see if that makes a difference.

 

Update: EQ FICO 8 appears to have jumped 19 points, but it's impossible to discern whether that's attributable to just this event.


@SouthJamaica you do mean your aggregate installment utilization dropped to 8%?


Yes


Total revolving limits 569520 (505320 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




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SouthJamaica
Mega Contributor

Re: Installment utilization -- no big bang


@Thomas_Thumb wrote:

@SouthJamaica wrote:

In the past, when my installment utilization dropped below 10% I experienced a big bang in my FICO 8's and 9's, to the tune of 30 points across the board.

 

It happened today that my installment utilization dropped from 18% to 8%.

 

The 'bang' in my EX FICO 8 was a mere 5 points.

 

The differences between then and now:

-number of installment loans: this was over 6 loans, in the past it was just 1 or 2

-other utilization: this was during a time of very high utilization for me, in the past it was very low utilization

 

Go figure.

 

One of my smaller loans is still at > 10%. Since it had 0% interest, I decided not to rush paying it off. I'm going to get that one down to < 10%, and see if that makes a difference.

 

Update: EQ FICO 8 appears to have jumped 19 points, but it's impossible to discern whether that's attributable to just this event.


Was there a difference on length of open loan payment history now vs in the past? I continue to believe that open loans with longer payment history will see less of a point gain by reducing aggregate (or individual) B/L ratio than loans with under 1 year payment history.

 

As an illustration, a 5 year auto loan with 3 years payment history at a 50% B/L may see a 5 point gain dropping below 9% B/L whereas the same 5 year loan with only 6 months payment history might see a 20 point gain dropping from 50% to below 9%. There have been a few posters with a single open auto loan (no other open loans) reporting minimal score increases when B/L dropped below 9%. These loans had more than 2 years payment history. Can't recall thickness of poster files and amount/age of closed loans or if all those details were provided.

 


Good question. 

 

The ones from my past experiments were all very young; none lasted close to a year.

 

The current open loans are:

 

-2 years 3 months

-11 months

-7 months

-7 months

-7 months

-5 months

 


Total revolving limits 569520 (505320 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




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