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teo77777
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Is this for real ?!?

          Was reading excerpts from a blog written by Dana Neal, author of a book entitled "Best Credit:How to win the credit game" In a section he states the following..

 

 

"The quality of the lender also matters. There are captive and general lenders. Auto manufacturers are captive lenders—they loan money on their product only; the FICO scoring model treats them the same as a bank, which is good. Credit from auto manufacturing companies such as Toyota Motor Credit and General Motors is fine. But be wary of outside dealer financing; it's often from a finance company. Finance companies, unlike banks, are general lenders; they loan money on anything and are to be avoided because they will hurt your FICO score.

FICO's scoring algorithm attempts to detect if a consumer is making poor credit decisions—that is, getting poor credit terms such as paying a higher interest rate. It's assumed, with some merit, that consumers who use general lenders are making bad credit decisions, and thus any lender that has “Banc” or “Finance” in its name will lower your credit score."

                                    This true?

 


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Anonymous
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Re: Is this for real ?!?

Yes, it's for real. Consumer finance loans are considered a negative in Fico scoring.

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sarahlee7
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Re: Is this for real ?!?

I had 3 paid  Consumer finance  loans on my EQ.  It was a small town family type lender.....After learning that those accts do indeed hurt your score, I called and spoke to the lady and asked if she couuld remove them.

 

She told me to dispute the accounts, and she would ignore the veriification process by the CRA...lo and behold, the 3 paid closed accounts (in good standing of course) were removed and I gained 24 pts.

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teo77777
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@sarahlee7 wrote:

I had 3 paid  Consumer finance  loans on my EQ.  It was a small town family type lender.....After learning that those accts do indeed hurt your score, I called and spoke to the lady and asked if she couuld remove them.

 

She told me to dispute the accounts, and she would ignore the veriification process by the CRA...lo and behold, the 3 paid closed accounts (in good standing of course) were removed and I gained 24 pts.


You know, when I read that, it really made me think. I don't have any of these accounts on my report personally, but I see some major problems with this. There are a ton of people out there that have no choice but to take out such a loan, and even if they make great timely payments, the dings to Fico will keep them in the same boat repeatedly. That seems not only unethical, but almost profiling. I remember a tote the note car lot my Daughter went to that would not report positive history on the loan and wanted 18%. They don't want to report positive because they wanted you to have to use them for vehicles for life. Same kind of scenario here it seems.


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MidnightVoice
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Re: Is this for real ?!?

Even worse, some of the lenders are actually reputable!

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Anonymous
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@MidnightVoice wrote:

Even worse, some of the lenders are actually reputable!


Yep, Prosper and Lending Club both report as consumer finance accounts.

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TheConstant
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Re: Is this for real ?!?

So then for example, CapOne sends me autofinancing stuff in the mail, and I use it to get a car. 

Would this then be a negative lender because it is external to the car company, or a positive lender because it is a big bank?


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@TheConstant wrote:

So then for example, CapOne sends me autofinancing stuff in the mail, and I use it to get a car. 

Would this then be a negative lender because it is external to the car company, or a positive lender because it is a big bank?


It depends on how it reports. For example, a loan from Wells Fargo is a positive installment loan. A loan from Wells Fargo Finance is a negative consumer finance account. 

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CraigHwk
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Would a "Note Loan" fall under this category?  I have one from Spring Leaf financial and I am curious about the effects it might have.   Have a years worth of on time payments, so that has to count for something?

 

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Anonymous
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@CraigHwk wrote:

Would a "Note Loan" fall under this category?  I have one from Spring Leaf financial and I am curious about the effects it might have.   Have a years worth of on time payments, so that has to count for something?

 


What does the entry say in your files? If it says consumer finance account, it's a negative.

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