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@mtrsprt wrote:I guess I am lucky. We are closing on a home next month, and the scores my bank showed were all about 9-16 points higher than my current FICO scores. I do have a good standing mortgage from 9 years ago on my reports, so maybe banks do an enchanced calculation like auto lenders???
On a conventional mortgage they do not, nor do they on FHA to my knowledge. Jumbo, VA, USDA YMMV but I doubt it. Mortgage enhanced was introduced in FICO '08, doesn't exist in FICO '04 the GSE's and the vast majority of lenders use for mortgage underwriting.
If you've pulled the scores from here within the last month and small change, none of them are used on a typical mortgage tri-merge pull, and unfortunately there's not much correlation as to whether an individual will be up or down (even in some cases substantially).
Really at this point getting a realistic handle on where you are from a mortgage perspective, being a member of DCU, PSECU, or pulling the FICO score from Equifax directly are as good as it gets currently: I have an outside from left field hope that might change in a few months, but I'm not holding my breath depending on what FICO / Transunion decide to do with the current TU '98 score here.
I just pulled my FICO score from the Equifax site.... 651. Ordered from MyFICO....651. Same day. Not sure what the difference are, but if Equifax is using FICO 04, and MyFICO changed recently, they're still reporting the same
Even if one site is using EQ 04 and another site EQ 08, I would expect some scores to match simply by chance.
Good information!
I am pretty frustrated myself. I spent $120 and pulled myfico reports for both my wife and I last night. I wanted to be sure I would not be wasting time trying to apply for a mortgage on a house we really liked. I came away feeling pretty good. I had 563 (TU), 607 (EX), 613 (EQ). My wife had 575 (TU), 621 (EX), 624 (EQ). Now yes I know these are not the best, but I felt strong because we have very high income now, and can support a mortgage.
Well I bit the bullet, and went in today. I came away red faced, and ashamed. I also felt duped by the fact I spent $120 on here last night for what to me ended up being a expensive FAKO. On the mortgage tri pull, we came back at this: I had a 557 (TU), 588 (EX), 568 (EQ). My wife came back 580 (TU), 552 (EX), 548 (EQ).
I have to give it the big WTH?? For me 14 points different on TU, 19 on EX, and 45 on EQ. For her it was 5 different on TU, 71 on EX, and 76 on EQ. How does this happen? I have been working on improving our credit over the last 90 days, and have made some great progress. I have been hitting it up on different fronts. One, I paid down our debt from 75%, to 15% utilization. Second (string me up later), I hired Lexington Law. Third, I commited to never making another late payment. I really thought we were going to be good, but boy was I wrong.
I guess my question is where did this go off the rails? How was there such a big disconnect? Do the mortgage tri pulls run behind on updating the info? My FAKO scores, and myfico show things have been removed, but I saw them on this tri pull.
Please help me out here. My wife is ready to kill me for letting her dream home sail away.
Joe
There are many threads around here that explain that there are multiple "right" FICO scores.
The ones used in the mortgage business are typically the 04 series.
The scores available here are EX 08, EQ 08, and TU 98.
In general, applying different scoring models (formulas) to the same data will result in mismatches.
Beyond that, you may be dealing with report updating lags. For example, if you pay down a CC balance, that balance needs to report to the credit bureaus, and a fresh score calculated, before you will see any effect.
You can get your EQ 04 score direct from Equifax on demand ($20), or on a monthly basis by joining DCU.
If I was in this position, I think the first thing I'd do is not worry about scores, and instead make sure that information on my reports is accurate and updated. It's possible to pull reports directly without the scoring, and I pulled my EQ report the other day ($10).
I caught the part when you talked about the 04 and 08 models. It makes sense, but at the same time does not. I know you don't work for myfico, but what the heck is the point of ordering from the "trusted" name in the world of FAKO scores. Pulling my score here, I would expect the info I see to be exactly the same as the info in an 04 report. Yes, the scores would be different, as they factor the score different. However, the information contained should be the same, as they are getting it from the CRAs. This was not the case. There are many things not listed on myfico that are listed on the tri pull.
Not trying to argue, and I am working on getting everything accurate on on reports. It is just a bitter pill to swallow to see such a wide range of different scores and information, and then lose a house because of it.
I'm not an advocate of the information provided here, but I understand at least part of why things are the way they are.
The reality is that a large number of different scoring systems exist in the lending industry, and we consumers are being given a glimpse into this world.
It's kind of a frightening glimpse, I would say.
As I already mentioned, if I was in the market for a house, I'd probably go directly to the EQ web site and either pull reports ($10) or reports and scores ($20), and would not rely on any other sites that "filter" the reports in any way. If my interest in a house was longer term, then I'd join DCU and get the free monthly EQ 04 credit score.
@ranger2992 wrote:I caught the part when you talked about the 04 and 08 models. It makes sense, but at the same time does not. I know you don't work for myfico, but what the heck is the point of ordering from the "trusted" name in the world of FAKO scores. Pulling my score here, I would expect the info I see to be exactly the same as the info in an 04 report. Yes, the scores would be different, as they factor the score different. However, the information contained should be the same, as they are getting it from the CRAs. This was not the case. There are many things not listed on myfico that are listed on the tri pull.
Not trying to argue, and I am working on getting everything accurate on on reports. It is just a bitter pill to swallow to see such a wide range of different scores and information, and then lose a house because of it.
Couple of points: I'm beyond being simply fustruated at myFICO's having changed the Equifax score here from Beacon 5 to now Beacon 9: the moderators are just volunteers but we have slightly higher access in getting our points across in a private moderator forum and I railed bitterly at the FICO folks both for this and the impending Transunion change.
That said, and I hate to say this: even with the scores you got here a mortgage wasn't in the cards: the minimum floor I've seen for underwriting even an FHA loan is 620, unless you had access to a specific government program (rural USDA or what not) you were likely stuck and your wife wouldn't have qualified at all. It took me a full year to get my scores to rough mortgage qualification from a 560 to a 640 on a score which is used on the tri-merge pull. 90 days unless you can get a lot of negative information deleted and you have positive history already on the report, it's hard to make that sort of jump. Admittedly I did get to 620 in about six months but I was starting from a near thin file except for the derogatories (and I got none of them airstruck so you might do better with Lexington Law or DIY from information in the rebuilding forum).
Mortgage qualification is one of the first times people get faced with caring about their credit report as anything more than a distraction: unless you were responsible for every single negative on your wife's credit report, rationally you aren't fully to blame. Time and effort is the only thing which is going to fix it for most people, and you've already started on the right path... there will be another house of your and her dreams in the future, getting one's heart set on one individual house is a recipe for disaster.