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Slim1Der
Frequent Contributor

MyFico scoring is SO unfair

So I had a score drop after receiving an alert of a balance increase. I had paid something using NavCheck to the tune of $2,964. Once it reported, Experian dropped my score by 39 POINTS! I figured that once I paid it off(I did right away), and it reported a zero balance again, the score would return to what it was prior to me using it. WRONG, once the ZERO balance reported, I had an alert that showed my score went up 2 points. 

 

Makes me never want to use the NavCheck again. 

EX - 751 EQ - 732 TU - 752
Over $200k in revolving credit lines
10% Overall UTI
BK Discharge Jan 2009
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Legal_Girl
Frequent Contributor

Re: MyFico scoring is SO unfair

It's a crying shame, but anytime a FICO score goes down due to a balance increase, etc., I have never seen it go back up as quickly as it went down, even with paying off balance.  At least in my experience. 

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EW800
Valued Contributor

Re: MyFico scoring is SO unfair

I had always thought that FICO had no memory as far as Util.  Is that not correct?  I would have thought that it would have gone right back up if indeed there is no Util memory.  

 

Year 2012: All Scores in the 520 range, during a foreclosure, CC Settlement and high UTIL. Very ugly days...
Sept 2024: EX8: 847; EQ8: 850; TU8: 848 -- Middle Mortgage Score: 821
In My Wallet: Discover $73.7K; Cap1 Venture $51.7K; Amex ED $38K; Amex Optima $2.5K; Amex Delta Gold $18K; Citi Costco $24.5K; Cap1 Plat $8.4K; Barclay $7K; Chase Amazon $6K; BoA Plat $21.6K; Citi TY Pref $22K; US Bank $4K; Dell $5K; Care Credit $6.5K. Total Revolving CL: $300K+
My UTIL: Less than 1% - Only allow about $20 a month to report, on one account. .
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mongstradamus
Super Contributor

Re: MyFico scoring is SO unfair


@EW800 wrote:

I had always thought that FICO had no memory as far as Util.  Is that not correct?  I would have thought that it would have gone right back up if indeed there is no Util memory.  

 


as far as i know it still goes up , i had zero util , and then had small balance reporting and my scores went back up as soon as balance reported. I guess YMMV



EX Fico 804 11/16/16 Fako 800 Credit.com 11/16/16
EQ SW bank enhanced 11/16/16 839 CK fako 822 11/16/16
TU Fico discover 10/19/16 814 Fako 819 Creditkarma 11/16/16
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HiLine
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Re: MyFico scoring is SO unfair

In my experience, if I lose points due to a large balance reported, when I pay off the balance my FICO score goes back to where it was, and then some.
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Anonymous
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Re: MyFico scoring is SO unfair

I completely agree!  I paid off ALL my student loans and my score dropped by 40 points!!!  Also, there was an incorrect collection on my report that dropped it 25 points and when fixed it only went up 2 points!!!  What on earth!???

 

There is nothing fair about it when a company can report bad things (i.e. if you do not pay a medical bill or utility bill) but does not report when you DO pay them on time.  If they are not reporting, they should not be permitted to report!  Either they report ALL payments.....GOOD AND BAD or NONE! 

 

This is not a foreign concept.  It is common sense and equal opportunity to show TRUE payment history.  There is probably some reason that ONE medical bill was not paid.  For example, perhaps it is beind disputed and the hospital/doctor sent it to collections regardless. 

 

I pay my bills regularly with nothing to show for it because they don't report that.  All these things are saying I should get a "secured" credit card.  Why should I pay a company money to allow them to charge me a ridiculous percentage rate? 

 

Which bring me to the next thing....... Why would a company charge someone a higher percentage rate if that person struggles to pay already?  Are they not just setting them up for failure?  If they charged them the same interest and kept the payment lower, it would be easier for them to make the payment....DUH!  This is not rocket science, it is basic, simple math! 

 

If it is not going to BE fair, at least have the courtesy to name it something relevant such as UNfair credit reporting.

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Anonymous
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Re: MyFico scoring is SO unfair

Seabean, the main purpose of charging people with poor credit higher interest rates is to offset the higher rate of default. It's not an issue of them not using common sense, it's an issue of making business decisions so that they don't go out of business. It stinks for those struggling to obtain credit, but it actually makes perfect sense. 

 

I do agree that companies should be consistent with reporting...good or bad. 

 

If you're doing all of the right things (paying your debts on time, not utilizing a lot of credit, etc...), just be patient. Your scores WILL rebound eventually. I've been on a 14 year journey to clean up my credit. During that time, there were lots of ups and downs and as soon as I made progress, something else would pop up and set me back years. Eventually, I made it over the hump and one day, you will too. Stay the course, stay positive and don't allow yourself to feel like a victim. 

 

BTW, the "Fair" in Fair Isaac doesn't mean equitable. It refers to Bill Fair, the co-founder of Fair Isaac...and yes, more often than not, things in life aren't fair!

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Anonymous
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Re: MyFico scoring is SO unfair

Mishka,

 

I am plenty old enough to understand that life is not fair. My point is that if an individual is paying their debt, the negative reports should have equal impact on their score as the positive, not MORE of an impact.  Also, it is ridiculous that people are penalized for paying off debt (i.e. my score dropping for paying off my student loans). My score should have raised by hundreds of points if anything!  This showed that I was responsible enough to pay off a large debt.  In regard to an error, if one is reported and removed it only makes (common) sense that the initial deducted points are replaced.  It should not take YEARS to earn back the points deducted from errors.  There is simply no excuse for such disregard to other people's lives and the impact they have. 

 

While life is not fair, simple math should be!  It is a matter of disrespect and ignorance that upsets me.  The institutions responsible for the reporting and calculations need to be held responsible for the impact they have.  They have been permitted to do what they wish without fear of penalty.  This needs to change!  There needs to be a system in place that holds them responsible for their actions and monitors the deductions and increases they decide. This is necessary because they obviously cannot do it on their own in a consistent and equitable way.

 

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NRB525
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Re: MyFico scoring is SO unfair


@Anonymous wrote:

Mishka,

 

I am plenty old enough to understand that life is not fair. My point is that if an individual is paying their debt, the negative reports should have equal impact on their score as the positive, not MORE of an impact.  Also, it is ridiculous that people are penalized for paying off debt (i.e. my score dropping for paying off my student loans). My score should have raised by hundreds of points if anything!  This showed that I was responsible enough to pay off a large debt.  In regard to an error, if one is reported and removed it only makes (common) sense that the initial deducted points are replaced.  It should not take YEARS to earn back the points deducted from errors.  There is simply no excuse for such disregard to other people's lives and the impact they have. 

 

While life is not fair, simple math should be!  It is a matter of disrespect and ignorance that upsets me.  The institutions responsible for the reporting and calculations need to be held responsible for the impact they have.  They have been permitted to do what they wish without fear of penalty.  This needs to change!  There needs to be a system in place that holds them responsible for their actions and monitors the deductions and increases they decide. This is necessary because they obviously cannot do it on their own in a consistent and equitable way.

 


Can you share with us more about your credit profile? What is your MyFICO scores now, how long ago were the student loans paid? Do you have credit cards? How long ago was the negative removed? Where are your FICO scores from? What open cards and loans do you have now? CL and balances, how long have they been open, etc.

 

FICO is a complex model. The score changes, sometimes by large amounts. People have reported huge increases when historical derogs dropped off their reports, and in the long run, yours will balance out as well. Your comments about changes in your score may be accurate, but are not including the long sweep of details that goes into your individual score.

 

To expect the FICO model to be simple is not realistic. The details you have listed make for good headlines, but are not all the details that go into the score. Many have posted similar complaints here, and when the details are presented, or more history is revealed, time passes, it turns out not to be too far off of what we would expect to see, understanding that the algorithm is not perfect and can have lumpy changes.

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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mongstradamus
Super Contributor

Re: MyFico scoring is SO unfair

i thought usually when you pay off an installment loan your scores usually take an major dip. That is why people like to carry secured loans like what alliant offers to keep scores up. 



EX Fico 804 11/16/16 Fako 800 Credit.com 11/16/16
EQ SW bank enhanced 11/16/16 839 CK fako 822 11/16/16
TU Fico discover 10/19/16 814 Fako 819 Creditkarma 11/16/16
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