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NFCU personal loan dropped my score!

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Anonymous
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Re: NFCU personal loan dropped my score!


@HeavenOhio wrote:

I'm really inexperienced with this stuff, but I have to agree that a $100 balance is probably too low to hang onto the loan for a while.

 

@gman, you mention that this is a personal loan. Is it secured or unsecured? Either way, before bringing the balance down to 8.9% or less, make sure that your next payment due is pushed way far into the future (as SJ mentions). If it isn't, people here may want to offer different advice for handling this.

 

When you added the loan, there were potential scoring penalties for adding a new account, reducing your average age of accounts (AAoA), and reducing your age of youngest account (AoYA). There's a potential gain for adding a loan when you haven't had one before as you're improving your "credit mix." And there's a probable gain for paying it down to 8.9% or less. The credit mix gain doesn't generally offset the new account losses until some time has elapsed. But paying down the loan should quickly make your score higher than it was when it started.




I have found evidence an installment loan may not reset AoYA, at least on my profile. I hit 12 months AoYA on the 1st and received my points: https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/12-mo-AoYA-awards-clean-aged-thick/td-p/...

On the 2nd the loan reported reported: https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/New-loan-awards-quot-clean-aged-thick-no...

Thoughts?
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SouthJamaica
Mega Contributor

Re: NFCU personal loan dropped my score!


@Anonymous wrote:

Don’t worry about the fact you didn’t pay it down right away. NFCU reports the loan as soon as it’s approved, which I found out the hard way. Took my loan out Wednesday, paid it down as soon as the account showed up Wednesday evening to 8.9% and I got an Experian alert yesterday that my score dropped and I had a new account. They reported the entire balance of the loan and won’t report the payment until next month. 

 

You don’t have to make payments every month to keep the loan active, it’s suggested to make a payment at least once every 6 months so they don’t stop reporting. It’s crucial that you don’t get the outstanding amount too small or you risk them forgiving the loan early. Try to keep it above $50 for the duration of the loan. 


I paid mine down within hours, and it never reported the bad way. Since I was making the payment from funds sitting in savings, it processed quickly.


Total revolving limits 568220 (504020 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




Message 12 of 21
SouthJamaica
Mega Contributor

Re: NFCU personal loan dropped my score!


@Anonymous wrote:

@HeavenOhio wrote:

I'm really inexperienced with this stuff, but I have to agree that a $100 balance is probably too low to hang onto the loan for a while.

 

@gman, you mention that this is a personal loan. Is it secured or unsecured? Either way, before bringing the balance down to 8.9% or less, make sure that your next payment due is pushed way far into the future (as SJ mentions). If it isn't, people here may want to offer different advice for handling this.

 

When you added the loan, there were potential scoring penalties for adding a new account, reducing your average age of accounts (AAoA), and reducing your age of youngest account (AoYA). There's a potential gain for adding a loan when you haven't had one before as you're improving your "credit mix." And there's a probable gain for paying it down to 8.9% or less. The credit mix gain doesn't generally offset the new account losses until some time has elapsed. But paying down the loan should quickly make your score higher than it was when it started.




I have found evidence an installment loan may not reset AoYA, at least on my profile. I hit 12 months AoYA on the 1st and received my points: https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/12-mo-AoYA-awards-clean-aged-thick/td-p/5697169/jump-to/first-unread-message

On the 2nd the loan reported reported: https://ficoforums.myfico.com/t5/Understanding-FICO-Scoring/New-loan-awards-quot-clean-aged-thick-no-new-acct-quot/td-p/5698382/jump-to/first-unread-message

Thoughts?

It resets your age of youngest account. It is a new account for all purposes.


Total revolving limits 568220 (504020 reporting) FICO 8: EQ 689 TU 691 EX 682




Message 13 of 21
Anonymous
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Re: NFCU personal loan dropped my score!

I have to respectfully disagree, read the threads on the score changes. I did not lose points when the loan reported, except for on version 9 and some industry options.

As a matter fact it hit TU today and I’m about to add those scores to that thread.

I received my AoYA points and then the loan reported and I did not lose them. Furthermore I’m about to apply for some cards and I bet when they hit, I will lose those points. We’ll see.
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Anonymous
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Re: NFCU personal loan dropped my score!


@SouthJamaica wrote:

@Anonymous wrote:

Don’t worry about the fact you didn’t pay it down right away. NFCU reports the loan as soon as it’s approved, which I found out the hard way. Took my loan out Wednesday, paid it down as soon as the account showed up Wednesday evening to 8.9% and I got an Experian alert yesterday that my score dropped and I had a new account. They reported the entire balance of the loan and won’t report the payment until next month. 

 

You don’t have to make payments every month to keep the loan active, it’s suggested to make a payment at least once every 6 months so they don’t stop reporting. It’s crucial that you don’t get the outstanding amount too small or you risk them forgiving the loan early. Try to keep it above $50 for the duration of the loan. 


I paid mine down within hours, and it never reported the bad way. Since I was making the payment from funds sitting in savings, it processed quickly.


You’re fortunate. I checked every single hour after approval and paid it as soon as it showed up and it popped Experian the next day and it showed up on TU this morning. I don’t have active EQ monitoring so I’m sure Credit Karma will let me know later this week. The payment was a transfer from checking to the loan so it showed up immediately. My guess is they reported it when the paperwork was done. 

 

I will live and it’s minor but I don’t get the point in reporting a loan before a cycle has passed since 100% doesn’t help anyone. As long as they update it next month, it’s fine. I just wish I knew in advance that it could report with 100% balance because I’m going to have a lot of debt reporting this month so I guess I’m going to have a real test of how much my lenders trust me. Thanks to it reporting, I’ve added $5200 worth of debt this month and when Disco reports at the end of the month that’s going to be another $800 unless I decide to pay it down some more. 

Message 15 of 21
gman
Member

Re: NFCU personal loan dropped my score!

Thanks so much for all the information!

I’ll make a few payments to get my balance around the $500 mark and make regular payments of $5 to keep everything active.

TransUnion just picked up the loan and there was no change in my score. I hope Equifax does the same but even if I loose a few points the long term gain will be more than worth it.

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Michelle0395
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Re: NFCU personal loan dropped my score!

hi @Anonymous just wondering if you recall how much of an increase you seen after the payment was reflected? I'm kinda in the same boat and I wanted to know the potential gain of paying it down to 8.9%. Thanks a lot. 

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Anonymous
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Re: NFCU personal loan dropped my score!


@Michelle0395 wrote:

hi @Anonymous just wondering if you recall how much of an increase you seen after the payment was reflected? I'm kinda in the same boat and I wanted to know the potential gain of paying it down to 8.9%. Thanks a lot. 


@Michelle0395 I got a massive boost from paying it down. It was 30-35 points on FICO 8 from before I got the loan depending on the bureau. 

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Anonymous
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Re: NFCU personal loan dropped my score!

@Michelle0395 A friend received 27 points for the paydown for DP's sake. He was clean/thick/non-aged/new account for scorecard reference and the 27 points were also discrete from the initial reporting.

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Anonymous
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Re: NFCU personal loan dropped my score!

@Michelle0395   I saw the following increases after obtaining a $500 SSL from Alliant which unfortunately they no longer offer:

 

Equifax > 33 points

Experian  > 31 points

TransUnion > 28 points

 

This occurred with a 2 yr old 30-day late payment on my credit reports.

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