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Bigshrimp
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Need Help Understanding my Scores!!!

So 2 years ago joined CK for my scores before learning about Myfico...Starting scores on CK were low 500s..Got them up to close to 680-690TU and EQ in the first year thinking im doing something right here...Learned about Myfico about a year ago, thinking my true fico scores couldnt be that far off...Ohhh how I was wrong...All of my fico8 scores were in the 640s...Ouch that was disheartning...So I tryed to learn about each scores scoring formula to better understand them...I still can not figure out where Im going wrong with Fico 8 as it is my lowest scores of any score card expecially EX as it is/was my cleanest report with the lowest score of the 3...With that said...

 

 

Myfico 8 scores currently EQ 687(22 point jump few days ago), TU 655, EX 654

WF Bankcard score 2- 725

Cap1 credit wise- 721

CK TU-721 EQ-746(40 point jump few days ago)

 

Credit History 10 years on TU and EQ... 15 years on EX( was AU on card closed in 07)

AAoA is 40 months according to My fico...

 

Open accounts (9/14) WF $300(first card secured now unsecured), (3/15) WF Sign $7000, (3/15)Cap1 QS $3750, (10/15)Chase Freedom $4500

Utl about 3-9% accross the board 2 cards showing zero balance waiting on Chase to report showing 3 cards with zero balance..In the past I showed a balance on 3 cards and now trying the 3 zero and small balance on 4th card this month...

 

HP-TU (1) EQ (3) EX (3) All but one of my HPs will fall off in the next 6 months leaving just one total(no HPs in past year)

 

Closed installment from 2008 on all 3..FWIW Child support is showing as an installment on EX(could this be hurting me?)

 

No lates and one PIF medical collection on EQ and EX(was clean until i paid off collection 2 years ago and added back on to EX) and 4 on TU(3 to fall off any day leaving the lone PIF) When I first started 2 years ago had about 10 on all...Started paying off collections non-medical first and they started falling off quickly for me except the last one scheduled to come off in 2018...

 

I just cant figure out Fico 8 for the life of me...Iv seen much younger accounts reach 700 on the boards.  My EX fico 9 score is at 790 (125 pts higher then 8) so you can see why i cant figure what im doing wrong on for fico 8 scores to hit 700...Any input or advice would be greatly appreciated...thanks in advance...

 

Shrimpy

 

 

Starting Scores 9/21/15 EQ-644 TU-651 EX-642
Current Scores 11/20/16 EQ-691 TU-668 EX-665
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Revelate
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Re: Need Help Understanding my Scores!!!

Basically if you have a clean file you win.

 

If you have a dirty file, then it's a lot harder to get past certain breakpoints and absolutely excluded from the highest scoring buckets.

 

Medical collections under FICO 8 if they're >$100 count.  That plus your fairly new history is around a 700 give or take 20 points for individual tweaks to files FWIW.  FICO 9 discounts these, and whee you see the 790 there.  Interestingly enough my own FICO 9's are around 780 too, not as much disparity but my negatives are older and I have more positive payment history than you do.

 

Re: child support as installment, not sure if that fully counts or not: it's not hurting per se but might not be helping much either.  Not sure, if you can spare tying up the $500 for a few months I'd pull the share secured loan trick just to see in your case, but end of the day your major score increases will come from time passing and getting the negatives off.  Cleaning up the balances will help a bit.




        
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Bigshrimp
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Re: Need Help Understanding my Scores!!!

Thanks Rev for the reply

 

Guess the reason why I asked about the Child support is bc over the past year EX has been the lowest of the 3 with only one PIF collection showing during this time, while TU and EQ had 5 showing each during the same time period...1 dropped off of TU past month and 4 dropped off of EQ (guessing where the 22 pt jump come from).  Otherwise all 3 reports are similar...I think I would have a better understanding if Ex would of been the higher score of the 3...I could say to myself that the extra collections on the other 2 had more wieght but with the big jump on EQ is why im questioning things...

 

I have no Debt showing expect for revolving accounts and when cap1 and chase report I will have less then $100 showing on one card...

 

About the shared sucured loan..Would that benifit me at all if I have an closed installment already showing? I'v heard from others that it wouldnt really help if you already have an installment listed... 

 

I have found in my experience that EX is the tougher of the 3 scoring, but collections fall off much sooner...

 

Im just looking at my long term credit health...I only have one goal and that is to buy a house one day...I have no desire to add any more cards...Just looking for that moral victory of hitting 700 on all...

Starting Scores 9/21/15 EQ-644 TU-651 EX-642
Current Scores 11/20/16 EQ-691 TU-668 EX-665
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Revelate
Moderator Emeritus

Re: Need Help Understanding my Scores!!!


@Bigshrimp wrote:

Thanks Rev for the reply

 

Guess the reason why I asked about the Child support is bc over the past year EX has been the lowest of the 3 with only one PIF collection showing during this time, while TU and EQ had 5 showing each during the same time period...1 dropped off of TU past month and 4 dropped off of EQ (guessing where the 22 pt jump come from).  Otherwise all 3 reports are similar...I think I would have a better understanding if Ex would of been the higher score of the 3...I could say to myself that the extra collections on the other 2 had more wieght but with the big jump on EQ is why im questioning things...

 

I have no Debt showing expect for revolving accounts and when cap1 and chase report I will have less then $100 showing on one card...

 

About the shared sucured loan..Would that benifit me at all if I have an closed installment already showing? I'v heard from others that it wouldnt really help if you already have an installment listed... 

 

I have found in my experience that EX is the tougher of the 3 scoring, but collections fall off much sooner...

 

Im just looking at my long term credit health...I only have one goal and that is to buy a house one day...I have no desire to add any more cards...Just looking for that moral victory of hitting 700 on all...


FICO 8 and maybe 9 want you to have an open installment loan, and for highest scoring, at a pretty balance to original loan ratio.  That second part pretty much counts in aggregate across all installment lines that are counted.  Also wants open credit cards too incidentally, this was a departure from FICO 04 and earlier.  So yes, the share secured line might help you, or it might not with the child support but I suspect that might not be counted as an actual loan... the devil is in the reported tradeline details to be sure on that one and third party presentations may not be correct in their assessment it's installment (or the bureaus for that matter, hard to say talking algorithm).

 

EX / TU / EQ don't implement the same algorithm unfortunately; their datasets are different, and so the algorithm is different... don't read too much in EX always being lower, I have similar experience with EQ's hating me, and that file was unarguably better than either EX or TU before my tax liens started disappearing, and is clearly better than TU now.  

 

FICO 9 attempts to address this as lenders complained too, but FICO 8 and earlier still have a design goal of being +/- 30 points within each other, so there will be some variance and it's not worth worrying about.  Just optimize each file as much as you can, as a pretty report will result in a pretty score regardless of algorithm chosen.




        
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Bigshrimp
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Re: Need Help Understanding my Scores!!!

Thanks again Rev

 

Although its listed as an installment account it definitly looks like it is not counted as a Loan, so its not helping me, but at same time not hurting me...So I guess its all good...But I wonder if the listed monthly payment is possibly going towards my monthly debt costing me some points there? Now that I recall why its even on reports to begin with...Long story short-Plant closed in 7/08-started new job 10/08 about 50% pay...State wasnt allow to take over 40% out so each pay period I was getting 20-40 dollars behind...Went to court ageed to pay extra $50/month to catch up...5 years after I was caught up i still pay the extra amount so Im always ahead

 

I think I will concentrate more on my mortgage scores as thats my next project...What scores should i be looking at for a mortgage? Im seeing everyone talk about scores that i do not have...Does it differ much from lender to lender? The ones listed for mortgage I have from myfico  as of 9/15 are EQ05-677, TU04-703, EX02-706...If these are not the ones I need where can I find the ones I do? I will look more into the factors for the mortgage scores and go from there...

 

I will send a GW letter for last collection..Best case they take it off, worst case its stays on for 2 more years...I will also look more into the SSL to see if and where it can benefit me...Thanks again for your replies...

Starting Scores 9/21/15 EQ-644 TU-651 EX-642
Current Scores 11/20/16 EQ-691 TU-668 EX-665
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Bigshrimp
Valued Member

Re: Need Help Understanding my Scores!!!

I found your sticky in the mortgage section, so I believe I have the answer to my own question on which scores used...

Starting Scores 9/21/15 EQ-644 TU-651 EX-642
Current Scores 11/20/16 EQ-691 TU-668 EX-665
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