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Need some a answers... count find this anywhere. Credit score dropped after CLI.

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Anonymous
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Re: Need some a answers... count find this anywhere. Credit score dropped after CLI.

What 3 scores are you referring to?  CCT scores?  I was under the impression that your FICO scores didn't change much at all, just your VS 3.0 scores?

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Anonymous
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Re: Need some a answers... count find this anywhere. Credit score dropped after CLI.

I'm not really sure what the vs 3.0 score is it the credit score you get when you sign into like experian app, nerdwallet etc all show the drop. You are right my fico 8 shows I went up by 1 point but I was asking what exactly rebucketing is since someone mentioned that could be the reason earlier.
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RobertEG
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Re: Need some a answers... count find this anywhere. Credit score dropped after CLI.

Do you have a charge-off or collection that recently updated after a period of no updates?

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Anonymous
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Re: Need some a answers... count find this anywhere. Credit score dropped after CLI.

I've currently got 3 collections going none of which I have attempted to handle or acknowledge since 2 will drop off my score in the next year. One however will be on there for awhile so I don't really know how to handle that stiff but as I've seen no change in any of that stuff at all.
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newhis
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Re: Need some a answers... count find this anywhere. Credit score dropped after CLI.


@Anonymous wrote:
I'm not really sure what the vs 3.0 score is it the credit score you get when you sign into like experian app, nerdwallet etc all show the drop. You are right my fico 8 shows I went up by 1 point but I was asking what exactly rebucketing is since someone mentioned that could be the reason earlier.

VS 3.0 score is used by CK and other sites to give you a score. They are not FICO, they are VantageScore.

 

VantageScore is not used as much as FICO.

 

Don't worry too much if your VantageScore drops while your FICO stay the same. They are different algorithms, some changes affect more VS than FICO. I'm sure if you keep paying down your cards your VS score will go up in the next few months.

 

'Rebucketing' is another name for 'score card', there are several factors that put someone in one score card or another. Every score card has a different risk metrics, so if your profile changes and you change score cards, you score may go down or up if your risk changes by the new metrics.

 

As stated, FICO will not drop if you get a CLI. I don't know why VS can change it that much, but I've seen it, usually the score is back up in a couple of months.

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Anonymous
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Re: Need some a answers... count find this anywhere. Credit score dropped after CLI.

Also be aware that there is not a single creditor, lender, or insurer that a single person here can name that references Vantage Score for any decision, period, ever. In history.

Not one.

If you call Vantage Score as a business and ask them for the name of a single client that uses it for consumer purposes, they won't have one to give you because none exist. They'll quote their website which states the only users are bundlers who use the score to rate groups of consumers for rating group assets.
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NRB525
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Re: Need some a answers... count find this anywhere. Credit score dropped after CLI.


@Anonymous wrote:
So basically my overall credit utilization I was to say it went from like 55 percent to 29 percent with that increase and my payments which are due at the beginning of the month. I have 4 total cards. My total credit limitis 7500 it's no down to like 2300 with that random CLI. So yeah I I even did the experian thing and pulled all 2 reports no change except the CLI and my utilization dropping due to it.

Ok, please answer this question on a real computer rather than a mobile phone. The text strings off your mobile phone are frankly confusing Smiley Wink

 

Using a grid format, can you list out your four credit cards, which bank, the credit limit and your current balance on that card. That will help to get understanding of the correct utilization calculations, and there are two levels of utilization.

You seem to have a fairly low limit of overall credit. With the baddies, that is likely putting you in a bucket where score movement is not predictable. (after all the baddies drop off, your score moves in FICO will be more predictable). If the credit limits crossed some threshhold, that may have an influence on the VS3 bucket. Purely speculative.

 

While CK scores as Vantage 3.0 are "A Credit Score", they are not commonly used, and very few of the users here track their own performance on VS3. The wild swings we see people bringing to this forum ("MyCK score dropped / rocketed") unfortunately don't get a lot of comparatives.

 

If you have a Discover card, or Chase Slate, what is the score you see on those sites?

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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Anonymous
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Re: Need some a answers... count find this anywhere. Credit score dropped after CLI.

BARCLAYS BANK DELAWARE - Jetblue Card

$2,248 used

$6,500 limit

35%

Revolving

Current

May 1, 2017

 
 

CAPITALONE - secured card

$290 used

$1000 limit

29%

Revolving

Current

May 9, 2017

 
 

CREDIT ONE BANK NA

$720 used

$4000 limit

18%

Revolving

Current

May 1, 2017

 

CAPITALONE - quicksilver card

$ 442used

$2000 limit

22%

Revolving

Current

May 7, 2017

 

 

 No chase or discover but I was looking into discover once these accounts are over 2 yrs of age with good payments etc. Does this information help?
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NRB525
Super Contributor

Re: Need some a answers... count find this anywhere. Credit score dropped after CLI.

Yes, it does. Thanks for the details.

 

Your utilization on the Barclay went from (ballpark) 65% to 35%, presuming these are statement amounts. Mid-month doesn't matter so much, it's what is on the statement that gets reported for these card utilzation numbers, but that's a definite improvement in utilization from the CLI. Overall utilization went from 35% to 27% and that may have crossed another threshhold at 30%.

 

When all my cards went below 50% utilization on any single account, I got a nice boost in FICO scores. Thus, in this situation moving from some 65% to the 35% range on the one high-utilization card will help your FICO scores.

 

Where things get confused in the scoring is the baddies, but nothing to be done about those for now, just wait them out. From what you reported on FICO scores, it sounds like this CLI did not have much impact, which makes sense, there is not a lot changing here. CK VS3, as I noted before, does not have the same tracking here, and seems like it jumps around for reasons we cannot easily discern.

 

With low limits on cards like these, it is difficult to maintain low utilization. Therefore I would not worry too much about utilization. The Credit One account is probably hard to avoid charges when it is used, so if you can keep that one quiet and low cost then it helps your score overall.

 

The big improvement in your scores is in the future, when the last of those baddies goes away. While you wait, just keep paying on time and looking for the CLI. Try to pay the cards in full, to reduce / eliminate interest costs and enjoy the rewards benefits.

 

Discover provides your real TU FICO score each month, so that would be a useful feature. Discover is a good card to have, though it may not be something you want to get yet. There is a secured Discover, though I'm not sure the method to apply for it.

 

Good luck!

High Bal Jan 2009 $116k on $146k limits 80% Util.
Oct 2014 $46k on $127k 36% util EQ 722 TU 727 EX 727
April 2018 $18k on $344k 5% util EQ 806 TU 810 EX 812
Jan 2019 $7.6k on $360k EQ 832 TU 839 EX 831
March 2021 $33k on $312k EQ 796 TU 798 EX 801
May 2021 Paid all Installments and Mortgages, one new Mortgage EQ 761 TY 774 EX 777
April 2022 EQ=811 TU=807 EX=805 - TU VS 3.0 765
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Anonymous
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Re: Need some a answers... count find this anywhere. Credit score dropped after CLI.


@Anonymous wrote:
Also be aware that there is not a single creditor, lender, or insurer that a single person here can name that references Vantage Score for any decision, period, ever. In history.

Not one.


The last time you made this argument about a week ago, someone (I want to say TT) chimed in and provided an answer to this referencing at least one creditor that did use VS 3.0 and you never responded to his post or posted again in that thread.  As I also recall in that thread, you called everyone "liars" that said that they had a VS 3.0 score used by a utility company, rental company or cell phone company.  

 

I get it that relative to FICO scoring, VS 3.0 is next to irrelevant and I think it's fine to constantly echo that in this forum for those that may not be aware.  The important part of that statement though IMO, is "next to" irrelevant.  Some do believe based on what they've encountered throughout their credit-seeking days that VS 3.0 does provide some minor level of relevance. 

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